These are the voyages....
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Yeah, it totally worked.
This. It was so out of character it made me cringe. Poor Shran. They couldn't even leave him well enough alone.
What bugs me even more about the Shran thing is that he was going to be in "Terra Prime", but they decided they'd rather he were in the last hour. Reasonable enough, until you consider that the last hour is TATV, of course, and then they do that to him on top of it all.
This. It was so out of character it made me cringe. Poor Shran. They couldn't even leave him well enough alone.
It might have been in character for him to have a falling out with the Imperial Guard maybe over that chick the Tellarites killed. Suppose she lived and they found out about his fraternization and he chose her over his service, but that would have required forsight. That's the best face I can put on Shran's otherwise forgettable role in TATV
Fair episode. Not great as a finale, but more as a coda to the series. I enjoyed it on those terms.
This. It was so out of character it made me cringe. Poor Shran. They couldn't even leave him well enough alone.
It might have been in character for him to have a falling out with the Imperial Guard maybe over that chick the Tellarites killed. Suppose she lived and they found out about his fraternization and he chose her over his service, but that would have required forsight. That's the best face I can put on Shran's otherwise forgettable role in TATV
The writers had obviously sowed seeds of tensions between Shran's duty as loyal soldier/Andorian vs personal feelings towards Archer/Talas during run. But it still sucked. Occurred to me as well, lot of us like to beat up on TATV but if you had to include earlier series characters, could it ever have worked? Or how would anyone here have done it? (Or maybe that's another thread: Alternative TATV)
Ambassador Sran, or President Shran?
As star fleet was integrating into all the foreign powers to create a greater Starfleet responsible for the military protection of the federation, Section 31 should have had to have been finalizing their "assimilation" of the secret spy institutions of Vulcan, tellar, Andor and the other signitary worlds.
Which is when we find out that reed is still on thier books.
Shran is calling Reed "Boss" by the end of the episode.
As star fleet was integrating into all the foreign powers to create a greater Starfleet responsible for the military protection of the federation, Section 31 should have had to have been finalizing their "assimilation" of the secret spy institutions of Vulcan, tellar, Andor and the other signitary worlds.
Which is when we find out that reed is still on thier books.
Shran is calling Reed "Boss" by the end of the episode.
I still don't see him as a rugged space pirate type who gets mixed up with even worse space pirates. Character assassination, I say! 
I'd assume that Andorian politics is full of skullduggery, nepotism and other dark stuff so Shran's career change is not that out of character.
It would make a lot more sense. I have no idea what they were thinking, trying to shoehorn in a crossover into a Next Gen episode which didn't need one (and I didn't even remember)
The Next Gen sets (did they really rebuild them just for this shit? Or was it salvaged stuff from the Star Trek Experience's replica Enterprise-D?) could have represented Titan with a minimum of redressing. The black uniforms would have been a lot more flattering on Frakes and Sirtis.
I'd have loved to see Titan following up on an Enterprise mission from 200 years earlier, with flashbacks of the NX-01 crew doing their thing and the Titan crew dealing with the repercussions.
It was an old idea, but they wouldn't get there shit together back in season 2, so rather than come up with something original it was their last change to work through an old regret poorly.
If this wasn't the last episode, and would have been made in season 2 like it was supposed to have been, it probably might have been the best episode of the series.
If this wasn't the last episode, and would have been made in season 2 like it was supposed to have been, it probably might have been the best episode of the series.
Maybe, but I don't see him doing this, no matter how corrupt the Andorian military might have been.
On what grounds do you guys make such assumptions? I don't remember any mention of corruption among the Andorian military anywhere in the show.
It is cooler that way Mach5.
And The Vulcans certainly know DuplicityThe Vulkies say they're duplicitous. That's good enough for me.
And The Vulcans certainly know DuplicityThe Vulkies say they're duplicitous. That's good enough for me.
At least until T'Pol and Archer stopped the evil kabal of V'Las.
