These Are The Voyages - Your Opinion, Please
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Actually the thought occurred to me last night, that the entire episode was based in an alternate future timeline.
There the Earth-Romulan War never happened in the 22nd Century but many years later instead... perhaps just before the Kelvin era instead. The Coalition charter was signed in 2161 and only evolved into the Federation closer to Kirk's time. So basically in this alternate TNG episode, the Romulans have been at peace for sometime ready to join up... then along comes Riker's dirty little secret about having broken a fundimental part of the peace treaty, not developing cloaks. This other version of The Pegasus continues after they leave the Holodeck and with all those slight changes to history in place. That crew presumably look older due to the stress of several other butterfly effects.
Then it's presumably down to Daniels (or more likely Future Guy) to mislead Archer into starting the war with the Rommies... putting everything back on track.
There the Earth-Romulan War never happened in the 22nd Century but many years later instead... perhaps just before the Kelvin era instead. The Coalition charter was signed in 2161 and only evolved into the Federation closer to Kirk's time. So basically in this alternate TNG episode, the Romulans have been at peace for sometime ready to join up... then along comes Riker's dirty little secret about having broken a fundimental part of the peace treaty, not developing cloaks. This other version of The Pegasus continues after they leave the Holodeck and with all those slight changes to history in place. That crew presumably look older due to the stress of several other butterfly effects.
Then it's presumably down to Daniels (or more likely Future Guy) to mislead Archer into starting the war with the Rommies... putting everything back on track.
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Isn't that what I've been suggesting since, like, forever?
Well, er yes and there is that...Isn't that what I've been suggesting since, like, forever?
It's probably how I'd undo the last episode and theoretically start the next season. It would probably have to show how badly screwed up TNG was first. Once Riker and Troi got back to the bridge, we find the rest of the crew radically altered. An all-out war with the Romulans beginning. Then a massive disaster with clues to the cause pointing all the way back in time to Archer. Probably tie-in the identity of Future Guy with that alternate timeline and use him, instead of Daniels for a change.
Waitaminute...you'd use more Riker and Troi?
How about a teaser that takes up where the Thing left off. Riker and Troi proceed down the corridor away from the holodeck, discussing all the wondrous things Riker learned from hanging out on Enterprise. As they disappear around the bend, the camera angles down to Barclay, spanner in hand, closing up a circuitry panel labeled HOLODECK PROGRAMMING. He strolls away, taking a swig from a near-empty bottle of Andorian ale, giggling drunkenly to himself. "I can't believe they actually fell for that..."
End teaser. (And all participation by the TNG cast.) Roll Enterprise opening credits.
"These Are The Voyages. . ." was the worst episode of Enterprise, and one of the worst episodes of Trek.
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Something like that would have made Barclay look like an irresponsible imbecile for pulling a prank during a serous situation for both his superior officer and his ship. Simply put, it would have been a really bloody character assassination, IMO.Waitaminute...you'd use more Riker and Troi?
How about a teaser that takes up where the Thing left off. Riker and Troi proceed down the corridor away from the holodeck, discussing all the wondrous things Riker learned from hanging out on Enterprise. As they disappear around the bend, the camera angles down to Barclay, spanner in hand, closing up a circuitry panel labeled HOLODECK PROGRAMMING. He strolls away, taking a swig from a near-empty bottle of Andorian ale, giggling drunkenly to himself. "I can't believe they actually fell for that..."
End teaser. (And all participation by the TNG cast.) Roll Enterprise opening credits.
I still think the alternate reality explanation would have been the most elegant one.
Watch it last, or better yet, skip it entirely; you honestly are not missing anything because of what it does to BOTH The Pegasus and the ENT characters in general. After the very good 4th season, when/if you watch it, you'll come to the conclusion it was written by someone who never bothered to watch am episode of the 4th season; and also didn't pay much attention to TNG's The Pegasus either. For me, it's (seriously) the worst Star Trek franchise episode made since TOS' And The Children Shall Lead.
At the risk of losing all credibility as an ENT fan, I'm afraid so. I actually don't want to, but the situation calls for it. Plus Pocket Books already have my current favourite retcon explanation involving Section 31, incorrect historical facts and Trip staging his death. But clearly since none of the series have ever canonized or adapted a novel. They'd just think of something else instead.Waitaminute...you'd use more Riker and Troi?
The writers on the show went down that road and are on record as saying had the series gone to a fifth season that episode would still have gone ahead. Minus the emotional montage send off involving three Enterprises, I expect. I presume if UPN had ordered another year, Rick & Brannon would have slapped another WTF cliffhanger after Riker and Troi leave the holodeck. We discover this actually isn't our Enterprise-D at all, with all the 2161 stuff a massive red herring.
If it makes you feel better, both those alternate versions of Riker & Troi, (along with the rest of the TNG crew most likely) would die really horribly... to prove that is a screwed up timeline.
Oh... except for Data, who would clearly have to stay alive until the 28th Century and become Future Guy. Somebody has to communicate with the past and try to sort all this crap out.
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Removing the one good thing from the episode.
Totally agreement. That was a last minute addition wasn't it? The only thing that comes close to being what could be described as a valentine.
It's a puzzler. There's no way These Are the Voyages... could have possibly gone ahead under other circumstances... Not without some rewriting - a cliffhanger to continue in Episode 99 or some get-out-of-jail card or loose thread to pick up on. The ending is too damn conclusive and downbeat.
They were just lying when they said that weren't they?
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I still don't understand why they felt like they needed to make a "bonus episode" after the series finale had already aired.
Because Braga's concepts of "bonus" and "valentine" involved anal fisting with a boxing glove and getting bashed in the face with a ball-peen hammer.
So this new show... FlashForward. It's not going to have a very good ending is it?
Yes, but they said that Trip wouldn't have died in that episode. Maybe at the end of it all, but he would have been back for season 5+.
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Oh, I dunno. It wasn't great, that's for sure, but City on the Edge of Forever and The Inner light were both much, much worse.
Please use emoticons in the future... Someone may mistake your sarcasm for a serous statement...
Please use emoticons in the future... Someone may mistake your sarcasm for a serous statement...
I was serious.
Completely.
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