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These are the voyages of... what? Really? Who??? Who Cares????

Phantom said:
^Not so far. Is there a good preview/summary site I can check out for an initial impression?
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Book 3 just came out and Books 1 & 2 came out this time last year. They follow the further adventures of two of the starships from the Vanguard Series. The Endeavor (a Constitution Class) and the Sagittarius (an Archer Class) ship.

They are incredible.

Mike
 
Csalem said:
Although Elfiki has had some prominent roles in recent books like DTI I still feel I don't "know" her, nor know what she contributes to the E-E. If she was vanished in the next book I wouldn't notice.

Personally I wish Miranda Kadohata was still on board because when she was introduced she seemed interesting and had a lot of potential. One of the things I liked about her was that she had always been there as a junior officer but in the relaunch was promoted to Ops and Second Officer. I would like to see more of how this change of relationship with the senior staff played out with her. But then we lost her, although she developed more in the short time she was with us compared to others. Like Elfiki.
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At least she wasn't killed of, but left the ship to spend more time with her family. Where else is a female higher ranking Starfleet officer with three children, all of them staying at home with their father, who does a bigger part of the education than most fathers?

And I like how Jean-Luc cares for René. Some people are still uncomfortable with the idea of Picard as father or family related topics. They prefer action, aliens and space battle. Their loss!
 
I also miss Kadohata and would welcome her return. It was nice to have a character with a family that was not on board the ship and see how she and her family negotiated some of those issues.

And I like seeing Picard and Beverly as parents and how they relate to Rene, although I'm happy to have those moments occur just as incidental parts of the narrative rather than having major parenting/family issues subplots.
 
Miranda handled her family matters aboard Enterprise well, but I can understand that she left to spend more time with her kids as long as they are still young/toddlers. Maybe she is ready to return to starship duty when the kids are older.
 
At least she's still alive.
That's what bugs me most: the constant (and brutal) killing of secondary characters for stupid shock value. It might be an unfair assessement, but sometimes, it really comes across, as if certain authors just waltz in to kill and destroy something.
And, of course, to replace their victims with their own characters... which might get killed in the next novel by the next author anyway, revealing all those secondary characters as nothing but glorious red shirts and simple plot devices.

It's an okay stunt, if you do it once in a while. But it really got out of hand in the 24th century imho. :/
 
Starfury said:
That's what bugs me most: the constant (and brutal) killing of secondary characters for stupid shock value. It might be an unfair assessement, but sometimes, it really comes across, as if certain authors just waltz in to kill and destroy something.
And, of course, to replace their victims with their own characters... which might get killed in the next novel by the next author anyway, revealing all those secondary characters as nothing but glorious red shirts and simple plot devices.
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I think the decisions to kill off ongoing characters are usually made by the editor. Certainly it'd have to be approved by the editor if it were the author's decision.
 
I'd hardly call it "constant" too; how often has it really happened? Maybe a dozen secondary characters across maybe a half-dozen books in the last 5 or 10 years? Unless I'm forgetting a ton of incidents, at least.

You're talking specifically about characters originally set up as recurring but later killed off essentially individually, directly, and as a part of events rather than the focus of them, right? So more things like the deaths of Choudhury and T'Lana than larger plot-focused events like in Wildfire or The Eternal Tide?
 
Still bewildered why Vaughn died in the storyline. Besides, I was really getting into the idea of a 100+ year old human still active in Starfleet and getting to see how that played out.

Vaughn's portrayal is one of the few character introductions that just sold me on the idea of Picard still being active and Vital at his age. I guess knowing that human live longer in the 24th century and actually seeing how it plays out are two different things, as up till that point we'd really only seen humans aged 20-60.
 
Technobuilder said:
Still bewildered why Vaughn died in the storyline. Besides, I was really getting into the idea of a 100+ year old human still active in Starfleet and getting to see how that played out.

Vaughn's portrayal is one of the few character introductions that just sold me on the idea of Picard still being active and Vital at his age. I guess knowing that human live longer in the 24th century and actually seeing how it plays out are two different things, as up till that point we'd really only seen humans aged 20-60.
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He formed a symbol, I guess, for the cost of the Borg - and even the lingering after effects of that traumatic but increasingly forgotten conflict. It was a shame, for sure, and one hoped for hell he'd come back alive because of the Prophets. But it should be a shame.

And yes he helped make old Picard as an active charcater viable for sure! :D
 
TheUsualSuspect said:
Count me as another who really likes the relaunch series and the changing continuities. In real life, characters grow, change, move on to other jobs, marry, have children, even die (maybe not come back to life, though!). To me it makes the current Treklit more realistic, in ways that the TV shows and movies often were not.

I would like to see some of the original characters developed more fully, but that's something I hope the authors will work on, not a reason to not read the books.
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I also have liked the mix of the old & new characters. There've been a couple I didn't care for but for the most part I've been pleased with the continuing adventurers of these crews. Not all crew members will stay with one ship as with TOS, people get opportunities & promotions (or die) & are replaced. It adds something to the story with new characters interacting with the originals.
 
Agreed.I really miss Vaughan.And despite so many characters being resurrected in Treklit now,I get the feeling that Elias is truly dead and gone.
 
Sisko (kinda).
Data.
Lal.
Janeway(groan).
I'm not sure if Kira was counted as dead...
Not Marvel resurrection level figures but still more than the bible.

That's a joke,okay.:)
 
^But note it's only canon characters (and you left out Trip). I'm not sure if any book-original characters have been resurrected.
 
flandry84 said:
Sisko (kinda).
Data.
Lal.
Janeway(groan).
I'm not sure if Kira was counted as dead...
Not Marvel resurrection level figures but still more than the bible.

That's a joke,okay.:)
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I'd argue that Sisko and Kira were never dead. While others may have viewed them as being dead, they never wore and things were pretty clear at the time to the readers. Data was hinted at in Nemesis as a possibility in some way and Lal is at least a logical extension of that... The only one I grant you is Janeway. Despite still enjoying the Voyager relaunch, I feel that it was a cop out.
 
Mike Winters said:
Data was hinted at in Nemesis as a possibility in some way and Lal is at least a logical extension of that...
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Both of them physically died but uploaded their memories into another positronic brain, allowing the eventual installation of those memory and personality patterns into new bodies. If you don't count that as death and resurrection, then Spock never died either. For that matter, neither did Janeway, since her consciousness was also preserved through the actions of the Q.

I mean, really, that's the whole premise of a death and resurrection in most fictional cases, isn't it -- that the personality/consciousness survives the death of the body and eventually makes its way into a new or restored body. That's the idea behind reincarnation as well -- that the soul lives on and changes bodies. So if you don't count it as death if the consciousness survives, then what do you count as death and resurrection?
 
Well,Sisko and Kira were described as "walking with the prophets" which to my mind at least is comparable to "gone to God" or "at heavens gate".

Dead enough for me.;)
 
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