These Are The Voyages Announces Kickstarter Campaign For Volume 3

[Tarheel]

I haven't read my copies of Season 1 and Season 2 yet, but I signed on for Season 3...

http://trekmovie.com/2014/10/31/these-are-the-voyages-announces-kickstarter-campaign/

I'm planning to read through the books alongside my upcoming TOS rewatch.

 

[Daddy Todd]

Wow. I have & have read the first two, and want to read this. But kickstarter? I have to think about that.

 

[Tarheel]

Kickstarter is fine with me. The price is a couple of bucks more than I paid for the first books (with shipping). With Kickstarter, you only pay if they get the required number of people to sign up. If they don't reach that goal, then we'll just have to wait for a standard release next year.

 

[feek61]

I thought the first Kickstarter was for all three volumes.

 

[bbailey861]

I just jumped on board as well. I agree with Tarheel. In my case it isn't a hell of a lot more than what I paid to begin with. I'd rather have it sooner than later.

 

[Red Omega]

The Kickstarter is simply a way for the books to get printed. Sort of like pre-ordering.

I am in. I have volumes 1 & 2 already.

 

[Tarheel]

I thought the first Kickstarter was for all three volumes.

I only need the third volume, so I signed on for that with a $40 donation, but they have many other levels, some of which get you all three volumes.

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[Defcon]

I think he means that they actually already had a Kickstarter and the wording there kind of indicated that it would be for all three books;

All three volumes are written. The first manuscript has been edited and proofed and is being formatted for printing. The second and third volumes are currently undergoing structural editing and we hope to have both available for printing before the end of 2013. But these are highly ambitious book projects and, while Jacobs/Brown has the resources and commitment to bring them to press, the process will take longer than many fans, or the author, would like to wait. That's where the Kickstarter community comes in. We believe wholeheartedly that a $10,000 capital injection will provide us with adequate resources to complete the cover graphics, initiate printing, and conduct a marketing campaign to launch these books in a way that will sustain the process to completion and help Marc realize his dream for Trekkers everywhere.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/791163687/these-are-the-voyages

 

[EnriqueH]

Can someone explain how this works?

I was under the impression that we are funding the book? Or is the money going towards the publishing of the book?

 

[Tarheel]

I think he means that they actually already had a Kickstarter and the wording there kind of indicated that it would be for all three books;

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/791163687/these-are-the-voyages

Ahhh. I had no idea they had a earlier campaign. I guess those backers are already due their books. Now it looks like Marc is looking for an extra boost to speed up the schedule.

 

[Indysolo]

He needs twice as much from the first campaign to get one book out?

Neil

 

[trampledamage]

I'm going to leave in the first link with the article, and I'll leave the thread open for you to discuss progress of the campaign and whether you're going to contribute, but the direct links need to go. There's a no soliciting rule here on the BBS, and even if you aren't directly benefiting from the kickstarter, the direct links still constitute soliciting.


Actually I've left in Defcon's links because they're connecting to the previous campaign that is now closed.

 

[BillJ]

Think I'll pass. Book one was sloppily written and didn't look to be all that reflective of what was actually going on.

TrekBBS member Harvey does a far more balanced review of the production of the series based on correspondence and other documents from those involved.

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.com/

 

[erastus25]

Think I'll pass. Book one was sloppily written and didn't look to be all that reflective of what was actually going on.

TrekBBS member Harvey does a far more balanced review of the production of the series based on correspondence and other documents from those involved.

http://startrekfactcheck.blogspot.com/

Yup. The problems with TATV are well documented around here and I want no part of helping publish another. I'll take Harvey's blog any day.

 

[Red Omega]

So I am supposed to take the word of a random blogger over the guy who has interviewed every major player in the production of TOS and had access to memos no one else has? Everyone from Gene himself to Robert Justman and Leonard Nimoy have endorsed Marc's efforts.

I am sure his books are not perfect, but taking some blogger's word over Marc's seems a stretch.

 

[Idran]

So I am supposed to take the word of a random blogger over the guy who has interviewed every major player in the production of TOS and had access to memos no one else has? Everyone from Gene himself to Robert Justman and Leonard Nimoy have endorsed Marc's efforts.

I am sure his books are not perfect, but taking some blogger's word over Marc's seems a stretch.

Having not heard of the blog before, I just actually looked at it, and I don't see anywhere where "taking his word" comes into it. He's presenting primary sources with a bit of explanation as to the context of those sources; all pretty basic histiographic methods. Unless you think he's literally making up letters, memos, and the like, there isn't anything you need to take on trust there; it's all well-sourced and well-documented. In fact, I'm honestly not sure where "taking their word" would come into play in either resource. You don't take the word of someone that gives you sources, that's what the sources are for.

Though I am curious what the problems with TATV are; is there any specific thread here that someone could point me to to see more about that? I've been curious about getting the books for a while now, but comments like those are giving me second thoughts before looking more into them.

Edit: Wait a minute, TATV only came out in 2013. How on Earth could Roddenberry and Justman have endorsed it? They were both dead when the book came out. Maybe Justman if he had finished the manuscript a few years prior and was just sitting on it until the first Kickstarter, but I find it extremely hard to believe that this work sat unpublished for 22 years without any changes whatsoever.

Edit2: Reading further into that blog, he goes a lot more in depth than I originally described based on my reading of the most recent couple articles, so I have to give even more credit to his histiography. I'm reading in reverse-chronological order through it and I've only run into one direct criticism of TATV so far, but his arguments seem quite solid and his evidence seems well-substantiated, so blogger or not, I have to say that his work holds up pretty well against what he presents from that work.

 

[Indysolo]

Though I am curious what the problems with TATV are; is there any specific thread here that someone could point me to to see more about that? I've been curious about getting the books for a while now, but comments like those are giving me second thoughts before looking more into them.

There have been many threads. Here are links to some of them:

Print-on-demand retrospective TOS book forthcoming

New Book about TOS: These Are The Voyages (this one was closed as things got pretty heated in it)

Fact checking These Are The Voyages....

These Are The Voyages: Season 2...

Anyone receive "These Are The Voyages..." Season 2 yet?

When you start reading those, you'll see comments about the shady use of artwork and questionable reporting. My lone interaction with the author involved the use of fan artwork in the revised season one book, the only one of these I've purchased and partially read. Here are photos from that interaction.





His answers are bewildering, especially when given every fact that he got wrong, he still denies it. And now his latest statements about wanting the book out this year while the publisher doesn't (when they're self published!) really smacks of a shady individual.

Caveat emptor.

Neil

 

[Idran]

Thanks! Reading through those links now, and that screenshotted conversation is extremely ridiculous, wow.

Also wait, from what I'm seeing in that first thread, the "memos no one else has" that Red Omega mentioned was referring to the UCLA collection? The publicly-available UCLA collection?

 

[Indysolo]

Also wait, from what I'm seeing in that first thread, the "memos no one else has" that Red Omega mentioned was referring to the UCLA collection? The publicly-available UCLA collection?

Yes, that collection. Harvey has been doing a lot of research there over the years.

Neil

 

[Harvey]

Cushman claims access to papers that aren't part of the public collection, but I didn't see a single one quoted in the first volume (I did not pick up the revision or volume two for obvious reasons).

My lone interaction with Jacobs Brown Press (which I guess was actually Cushman or an associate) was when I informed them via email that the Roddenberry and Justman papers were publicly accessible and that their claim to the contrary on their website was misleading. They changed this at the time, but in their current Kickstarter and elsewhere they have been trotting out this whopper again.