"There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Most of us have heard these words in the trailer spoken by Pike, presumably to Kirk:

"There's greatness in you, but there's not an ounce of humility"

As has already been speculated by others, this line of dialogue may be a launching point of sorts for Kirk's personal growth and journey through this film -- his attempt to gain the humility Pike says Kirk is lacking.

Also, as others have speculated, I think that Pike may die in this film, and those may be among the last words that Pike speaks to Kirk. If that is so, Kirk may have even a greater reason to take Pike's words to heart (to honor Pike in death, so-to-speak).



...But to further expand on this idea:

Pike goes on to say:

"You think you can't make mistakes, but there's going to come a moment when you realize you're wrong about that. And you're going to get yourself and everyone under your command killed."

Does anyone think that if Pike does die, that perhaps Kirk did something (out out hubris/cockiness/lack of humility) that he feels may have LEAD TO Pike's death? I'm not saying Kirk's actions would necessarily be directly responsible for Pike's death, but maybe Kirk feels he may have done something out of arrogance that eventually lead to Pike's death...
...something that Kirk feels if he did differently (i.e., if he had acted with greater humility and less cockiness), then Pike possibly would not have gotten killed.

In that respect, if Pike dies in this film, maybe his death will become a huge part of Kirk's personal journey and personal growth in this film.

 

[SalvorHardin]

In the article from the new Empire magazine, Kirk's mission to capture Harrison is described as an attempt for Kirk to rectify his mistake.
So I suppose if Pike does die, Kirk might be somehow indirectly responsible for it.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Sounds like it could go that way but I'm hoping not since Bruce Greenwood is so awesome as Pike. In fact a Greenwood/Pike led Star Trek tv series would be nice.

 

[Gojira]

Didn't Greenwood also sign a contract for 3 films?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Guinness made it through all three films though he died in the first.

 

[Greg Cox]

Guinness made it through all three films though he died in the first.

Bill Nighy was in the first three Underworld films, although he was decapitated in the first one . . . .

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Keanu Reeves was in all three Matrix films, even though he fell into a coma during the first one and never woke up again. No one could tell the difference.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

I want to see him drooling in a wheelchair beeping away

 

[shapeshifter]

Pike dying or becoming wheelchair bound because of Kirks recklessness would be as much a punch in his gut as ours.



Btw, the quote in this threads title and included by the OP should prove to scorners they are trying to make this Trek have substantive quality's. It speaks volumes to me of an intended, deliberate evolution.

For JJTrek mockers to say it's simply all sparkle and 'splosions is akin to the same mistakes nontrekkers/bashers have always made; not really paying close enough attention to what they are witnessing.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Didn't Greenwood also sign a contract for 3 films?

"Beep Beep"
(Translation: Double yes).

 

[Set Harth]

Keanu Reeves was in all three Matrix films, even though he fell into a coma during the first one and never woke up again. No one could tell the difference.

Marlon Brando was in Superman Returns, even though he was dead.

 

[Dale Sams]

Without the events of Conscience of the King or Obsession, it makes sense Pine would be arrogant.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Without the events of Conscience of the King or Obsession, it makes sense Pine would be arrogant.

Pine? I think the character's name is "Kirk".

 

[Cyrus]

Without the events of Conscience of the King or Obsession, it makes sense Pine would be arrogant.

Pine? I think the character's name is "Kirk".

In order to honor Pike, Kirk changes his name from Kirk to Pike but misspells it.

 

[JeffreyAbrams]

It's funny. Everyone I know criticized the first one because Kirk got promoted way too quickly to Captain, and NOW the characters realize in the second one that he got promoted way too quickly to Captain.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2aQiun69M4[/yt]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGc9zmpK5M[/yt]

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

It's funny. Everyone I know criticized the first one because Kirk got promoted way too quickly to Captain, and NOW the characters realize in the second one that he got promoted way too quickly to Captain.

So it's a feature, not a bug.

 

[JeffreyAbrams]

It's funny. Everyone I know criticized the first one because Kirk got promoted way too quickly to Captain, and NOW the characters realize in the second one that he got promoted way too quickly to Captain.

So it's a feature, not a bug.

It just makes all of the characters even greater morons.

 

[Franklin]

It's funny. Everyone I know criticized the first one because Kirk got promoted way too quickly to Captain, and NOW the characters realize in the second one that he got promoted way too quickly to Captain.

So it's a feature, not a bug.

It just makes all of the characters even greater morons.

Picard was only 27 or 28 when his act of bravery was rewarded with the command of the Stargazer.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

It just makes all of the characters even greater morons.

Seemed to work okay for the continuing existence of Earth, though.

 

[UFO]

So it's a feature, not a bug.

It just makes all of the characters even greater morons.

I wouldn't say it makes the characters morons, but it doesn't exactly paint Starfleet in a good light. Then again, neither do other events in the film IMO.

Picard was only 27 or 28 when his act of bravery was rewarded with the command of the Stargazer.

Ok but ...

You have taken account of Picard's length of previous service in Starfleet I assume?

What size ship was the Stargazer again?