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There's an Atlas Shrugged movie coming out today

And you think they're....dramatic? ...exciting? ...?

Not having actually seen the movie myself, I have no opinion regarding the merits of the lines. However, I think it's clear that Charlie Jane Anders does not think highly of those three particular pieces of dialog.

Has anyone here actually seen the film, or read the book?

I'm still trying to decide whether to see the film. I haven't read the book, but it's on my shelf of books to read.
 
The producers of the movie are complaining that they didn't get a government subsidy? Where did you read that?

The point was that Liberals are being criticised for not subsidising a movie that right-wingers want to see made. All of a sudden, they're entitled to be subsidised. I didn't mention the word government.

A subsidy is generally defined as a government payout.

Please refer to the third example in this more extensive definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subsidy
 
And you think they're....dramatic? ...exciting? ...?

Not having actually seen the movie myself, I have no opinion regarding the merits of the lines. However, I think it's clear that Charlie Jane Anders does not think highly of those three particular pieces of dialog.

Has anyone here actually seen the film, or read the book?

I'm still trying to decide whether to see the film. I haven't read the book, but it's on my shelf of books to read.


I got about half way through Fountainhead. More than enough for me. The writing is AWFUL.
 
I got about half way through Fountainhead. More than enough for me. The writing is AWFUL.

I read a couple of her collections years ago--as a result of my contact with the aforementioned Objectivist Club, in fact. These were For the New Intellectual, which contains a number of excerpts from her novels, and The Virtue of Selfishness, which consists of essays. I also tried to read Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, but gave up.

Needless to say, these books didn't inspire me to read further. I thought her epistemology, in particular, was rubbish. Anyone looking for a direct-realist epistemology would be better-advised to read Thomas Reid and G. E. Moore, in my opinion.

But I'm actually thinking of going back, and reading her books. The older I get, the more interested I become in counter-cultures, religious cults, and fringe philosophies.
 
And you think they're....dramatic? ...exciting? ...?

Not having actually seen the movie myself, I have no opinion regarding the merits of the lines. However, I think it's clear that Charlie Jane Anders does not think highly of those three particular pieces of dialog.

Has anyone here actually seen the film, or read the book?

I'm still trying to decide whether to see the film. I haven't read the book, but it's on my shelf of books to read.

I've read it--and The Fountainhead.

I personally was able to finish both with comprehension, and I love them both.

But then...my attention span is such that I've also read War And Peace front-to-back, and loved it--although, granted, not enough that I was able to read Moby Dick without struggling....


(Note: actually...I'd had a negative opinion of Rand before I read her books--but I managed to put that aside, and opened The Fountainhead--and though it took me a bit to get into it, I was blown away. After that, I took up Atlas--again, it took me a bit to get into the book, but then it grabbed me all the way through.)

So, I'd recommend Atlas--but you have to want to read that baby before you pick it up.
 
Oh, I am with the great honorable Justice Hugo Black in matters of freedom of speech.

However, I am curious as to why you should feel as if your decidedly uninformed opinion in regards to Atlas has any legitimate merit in the debate whatsoever....
 
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If you consult the record, you'll find that I haven't directly commented on the quality of the movie itself. That said, I don't have to break my arm to know I wouldn't enjoy it, or see Citizen Kane to know that it's a good movie.
 
If you consult the record, you'll find that I haven't directly commented on the quality of the movie itself.

Of course not...you simply express that those on the political side which would accept the film are...mentally incompetent.

That said, I don't have to break my arm to know I wouldn't enjoy it, or see Citizen Kane to know that it's a good movie.

Touche. I suppose the same would go for me and, say, the movies of Michael Moore and Al Gore. :cool:
 
I tried reading her books. I found it to be some of the worst books I've ever read with absolutely no redeeming value, unless you ran out of toilet paper.

If there is any good to come out of her books, it was the Bioshock games. Although they show a society inspired by her ideas ending in ruin, which would probably happen rather quickly.
 
Way back in 1967, my family moved across town, and that fall I started 3rd grade classes at a new school. Our very first assignment was to do a report on any book we'd read over summer vacation.

I'd read a bunch of books over the summer. I'd virtually devoured an entire box of old SF&F pulps of my dad's. And I'd run across a book in the very bottom of that box, that had found its way into the same box as the others, purely because it too was a work of science fiction. But beyond that, it was wholly unlike the other books in my dad's collection of sci-fi pulps and paperbacks.

And because it was different, it stood out in my mind. Whereas all the other stories kind of ran together in my memory, this one I remembered as a distinct and separate whole. To do my report on it any of those other books would require me to skim over the material once more to refresh my memory of the details. But this book still stood out in my mind so well that I could easily do my report wholly from memory alone.

And thus began the shitstorm of my book report on Ayn Rand's novella "Anthem".

It became a shitstorm, because at first none of my teachers believed that I'd actually read the book. I was, after all, only 9 or so, and Rand was considered college level reading. They didn't buy that I'd actually read it, which lead to accusations of cheating and the like, which in turn lead to counter-threats of lawsuits and the like. And so forth, and so on.

The point is this: My exposure to Rand goes way back; back to my early childhood. Back so far that her ideas had a significant impact on my formative development. Moreover, I enjoyed her books. And her essays. I'm probably the youngest subscriber ever to The Objectivist, and was most certainly the youngest member of the audience during her 1971 appearance at the University of Illinois at Chicago, which I'd somehow managed to pester my father into taking me to.

By the time I was 13 or 14, I'd read every word the woman had published to date.

Thing is... if you're at all familiar with me, you know I'm about as liberal as they come, and that there are few political movements I find more ridiculous than Libertarianism. I'm just about as unlike a typical Randroid as you can get.

So what the frack happened?

Well, when I was a sophomore in High School, and decided to re-read some of Rand's heftier tomes, I finally realized what a crappy writer she was. It wasn't just that her dialogue was terrible, or that her stories were full of plot holes and absurd leaps of logic, but that the philosophy that made her stories stand out so much in my mind, was pure unadulterated horseshit. It was so naive I could scarcely believe it.

I came to the conclusion that the only real virtue of selfishness inherent in her philosophy was the virtual guarantee that it's practitioners would be among the first against the wall when the Revolution finally came. Moreover, it seemed obvious to me that her philosophy, if put into widespread practice virtually guaranteed that such a Revolution would inevitably occur. In fact, it would make such a Revolution necessary.
 
^Would you mind explaining your line of reasoning, then? Rather than just claiming you found it to be B-S...explain HOW you found it to be B-S.
 
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