Spoilers There will never be Ferengi in DISCO
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Because DS9 did it. It's that simple. And DS9 can do no wrong on TrekBBS.
Phaser effects should go back to be scratches on the film cells. Also they need to go back to film.
I can't decide what's most weird about this take. The idea that redesigning a one-shot alien is on the same scope as redesigning an alien that recurred or was featured for, what, sixteen years; the implication that its the aliens that aren't being radically redesigned over and over that's bad; or the idea that more people on the TrekBBS need to be as animated and enthusiastic about stuff that happened thirty years ago as they are about news that's a week old.
Never mind, "It's all Deep Space Nine's fault" wins.
Can you still recognize that it's a Ferengi? Yes or no. The answer's yes. You can still recognize it.
I'm not thrilled with the way the Ferengi look in DSC either (as I said upthread), but I was never a fan of the Ferengi to begin with and, unlike some of you, I recognize that they're not going to be a major focus. You all are blowing this up out of proportion and getting mock-outraged over nothing.
But, yes. I stand by what I said. The fact that Niners love DS9 so much means that you're more likely to give it a pass. Things you'd beat DSC to death with if it did the same things. Don't even try to say that's not true.
I just am interested in consistency. If a change is bad, then it is bad regardless of time. Also, more for me, is that other iterations of Trek were not treated as being completely different continuities for having said changes. I wouldn't struggle with this inconsistency so much if it was not continually used as a tool to bludgeon how much current Trek is an anathema to past Trek.
Same here. Do I like the Ferengi? Not a chance. I think they are a horrible species made all the worse by poor characterization and even stranger make up choices. But, can I recognize it as a Ferengi? Yes. Which is more than I can say for other aliens across Trek's universe.
I don't know if you've heard, but humans are real. Yeah, I know
we all thought they were something Gene Roddenberry came up with in the Sixties. Turns out, they were real.
They brought back Kor, Koloth and Kang looking like Berman Klingons without a explanation. So....
Hyperbole is so wonderful.
DISCO Klingons are simply the latest in an on going attempt to make the Klingons more alien. It started with bushy eyebrows and grease paint and then boney ridges. Make up artists have playing with the ridges ever since. Some go crazy and make the ridges look like Himalayas. Some pull back and go for something more subtle.
You'll note that the TOS moviea (Starting with III) has a different approach than Berman
I'll let you know when they get there. So far the Klingons are are still recognizable as Klingons.
Where do I draw the line? When I don't enjoy the episodes and stop looking forward to them. Pretty simple.
And if that theoretically happened, I wouldn't still be going on and on about it several years later.
And if that theoretically happened, I wouldn't still be going on and on about it several years later.
You didn't miss much. There was a ton of conferences and Bev had sex with a candle.
And speeches...lots of speeches. Oh god....the speeches.
YES! So much pontificating and pacing
The redesign of the Ferengi isn't major either. They've just made the ears more textured and organic and the ridge from the ears to the front of the skull has changed. The Ferengi still look recognisably Ferengi. They still have the big ears, they still have the lobed forehead and the back of the skull is still large and bulbous, which can be seen in some of the wide shots of the conference/briefing scene. Also, the points on the ears are straight out of the original TNG concept art .
You don't have to like the redesign, but to imply that it is some radical departure that ruins Star Trek is complete nonsense. It's a change that is easily reconcilable because in universe it's been 800 years since we last saw the Ferengi. That's plenty of time for the species to have changed because of interbreeding with other species. Maybe he's a descendant of Rom and Leeta. Who knows, who cares. I know I certainly don't.
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Don't push your head canon on me.
This is the Picard Federation fleet scene all over again.
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And a lot of diagnostics. On a recent rewatch I was astonished to see how many times Picard tells people to run a diagnostic. Any time anything happens it's "run a diagnostic". Sometimes he varies the level of diagnostic for a dash of excitement.
When ever we had computer problems at work I used to quip "Run a level 3 diagnostic".
