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There shall be no peace!!!

If kirk lives, or something to that affect. The Klingon Ambassador makes this statement at the start of VOYAGE HOME. Now, does he mean this because of what happened in the events of SEARCH FOR SPOCK?? Because Kruge's ship killed an entire crew (Grissom). Or do the Klingons want Kirk due to his years of being a pain in their asses??



Rob
 
In retrospect, it does seem like a blowhard move, especially for a diplomat.

Let's add it up, in terms of infractions against the other nation:

Kirk, essentially, killed 8 or 9 Klingons when he blew up the Enterprise, shot another one on Genesis, whom even if it was on stun, ain't nobody was worried about him when they all beamed up, and then gave Kruge the boot (literally!) In all, Kirk killed eleven Klingons and stole their ship.

Opposingly, we have no clear indication in Star Trek III that Kruge was acting under orders from the Klingon government, do we? It's just as likely he had gone rogue trying to prop himself up by winning a victory or two against the enemy. And even if he had been under orders, it's a pretty bad negotiating point to be playing victim when you sent your guy out and he destroys one ship, killing it's entire crew, and later orders the outright murder of a civilian (David).

I too, fail to see the logic of the Klingon Ambassador's argument in IV, and would cheer Sarek all the more for calling him out on his bullshit, had the argument not been so logically and empirically stacked in Sarek's favor.

Then again, maybe the Klingons did want to go to war after all and had just sent Daddy Warbucks to stir shit up.
 
It was the Genesis "torpedo" they were angry about and they were convinced that it was a military weapon that was to be used against the Klingon Empire. Because of the fact that Admiral Kirk is featured in the briefing, and that David Marcus is Kirk's son, they believe that he is the commander of the Genesis project and that it is a military project and not a civilian project to terraform planets for colonization.
 
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Maybe by trying to play the victim they were trying to deflect the testimony off track. I could easily see the Klingon "press" taking highlights of the confrontation and making it seem as if the Klingon Amabassador was sticking up for the Klingon people.

Great acting by John Shuck (?) for making his anger seem genuine..

Rob
 
John Schuck kicks butt as the Klingon Ambassador. Talk about doing a lot with a small part! He was SO memorable that they brought him back 5 years later to reprise the role in STVI. Not bad for only a few minutes of screentime!

I also love how in STIV he's trying to incite war, but in STVI he's accusing Kirk of sabotaging the peace process, proving that, like many politicians, he just parrots whatever position is the most convenient one for his party at that particular moment.

Fun fact: John Schuck was the very first actor to use the F word in a movie (M*A*S*H, 1970).
 
^ IMDB (which is, I know, of questionable reliability) says that it's Fuck. They quote Schuck's character thus:

Painless: [lining up during football game] All right, Bub, your fuckin' head is coming right off.
 
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...One wonders if the Ambassador's blustering was meant to indicate that there would be war between the two empires from then on - or that the long-ongoing state of war between the two empires would not be altered until something was done with the Kirk issue?

Klingons sound just like the sort of folks who'd keep a state of war going for millennia on back burner unless the enemy surrendered, won, or somehow earned their warrior respect. For the couple of years after Organia, there seemed to be peace or truce of some sort, but we have no idea whether this continued into the movie era.

Also, Klingons sound just like the sort of people who'd keep on sending fearless Ambassadors to empires they are at war with...

Timo Saloniemi
 
...One wonders if the Ambassador's blustering was meant to indicate that there would be war between the two empires from then on - or that the long-ongoing state of war between the two empires would not be altered until something was done with the Kirk issue?

Klingons sound just like the sort of folks who'd keep a state of war going for millennia on back burner unless the enemy surrendered, won, or somehow earned their warrior respect. For the couple of years after Organia, there seemed to be peace or truce of some sort, but we have no idea whether this continued into the movie era.

Also, Klingons sound just like the sort of people who'd keep on sending fearless Ambassadors to empires they are at war with...

Timo Saloniemi

Possibly. However, remember that in Star Trek V, Klaa and his crew were, like Kruge, running off on their own crazy personal mission. Klaa wanted to get some street cred by taking out Kirk, and unlike in Star Trek III, we get confirmation from Koord at the end of the film that Klaa was fucking around when Klaa has to apologize (!) to Kirk.

Say what you want about Star Trek V, but it at least set up the thread of peace with the Klingons later developed in Star Trek VI in an understated, if unintentional way.

I still think the 'pompous ass' thing is hilarious though. :lol:
 
There's a suggestion in John Ford's Final Reflection that it's pretty routine for a Klingon captain to go renegade with his own ship at some point in his career, carrying out deniable attacks on the enemy, before coming back into the fold. That's not dissimilar to how a lot of captains behaved three, five hundred years back (Drake etc). I always assumed Klaa and Kruge were acting along those lines (and Klaa, having failed and become an embarrassment, was lucky that the general in STV was so forgiving).
 
Indeed. The Klingon military might well operate on the general rule of having relatively independently acting skippers... And Korrd's act of chastising Klaa might have been just as renegade as Klaa's act of attacking Kirk.

Timo Saloniemi
 
^ IMDB (which is, I know, of questionable reliability) says that it's Fuck. They quote Schuck's character thus:

Painless: [lining up during football game] All right, Bub, your fuckin' head is coming right off.
I think you guys should have quoted South Park...
"Jew?" "No, he's talking about F***!" You can't say F*** in school, you F****** fata$$!" :D
 
Maybe by trying to play the victim they were trying to deflect the testimony off track. I could easily see the Klingon "press" taking highlights of the confrontation and making it seem as if the Klingon Amabassador was sticking up for the Klingon people.

Yeah, the phrase 'There will be no peace while Kirk lives' has a couple of interpretations.

The obvious one is a statement of intent. "While Kirk lives, we Klingons will not allow peace."

But it could also be an attempt to represent Klingons as the victims. "While Kirk lives, he will carry out acts of aggression against us."
 
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