There shall be no peace!!!

[RobertScorpio]

Maybe by trying to play the victim they were trying to deflect the testimony off track. I could easily see the Klingon "press" taking highlights of the confrontation and making it seem as if the Klingon Amabassador was sticking up for the Klingon people.

Yeah, the phrase 'There will be no peace while Kirk lives' has a couple of interpretations.

The obvious one is a statement of intent. "While Kirk lives, we Klingons will not allow peace."

But it could also be an attempt to represent Klingons as the victims. "While Kirk lives, he will carry out acts of aggression against us."

huh..I never thought of it that way, and certainly Kirk's opinion of Klingons hasn't mellowed at the start of the Undiscovered country

Rob

 

[Timo]

Said opinion seems to have its ups and downs. In "Errand of Mercy", there's apparently already some history between Kirk and that culture, and Kirk's hatred is unbridled. Yet later in TOS, Kirk shows contempt more often than hatred. Perhaps Kirk had never actually met live Klingons before "Errand of Mercy"?

In ST3, Kirk has plenty of reason to hate a particular set of Klingons, but in ST5, he displays respect towards old adversaries, damn near liking Korrd. The returning to the trenches in ST6 is all the more surprising, as Kirk now blames the entire Klingon species for Kruge's actions (although perhaps not without reason).

Perhaps the Klingon Ambassador's propechy was self-fulfilling, and Kirk became a much more active anti-Klingon player after ST3/ST4/ST5, gradually developing a bona fide racial hatred in the process.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[RobertScorpio]

Said opinion seems to have its ups and downs. In "Errand of Mercy", there's apparently already some history between Kirk and that culture, and Kirk's hatred is unbridled. Yet later in TOS, Kirk shows contempt more often than hatred. Perhaps Kirk had never actually met live Klingons before "Errand of Mercy"?

In ST3, Kirk has plenty of reason to hate a particular set of Klingons, but in ST5, he displays respect towards old adversaries, damn near liking Korrd. The returning to the trenches in ST6 is all the more surprising, as Kirk now blames the entire Klingon species for Kruge's actions (although perhaps not without reason).

Perhaps the Klingon Ambassador's propechy was self-fulfilling, and Kirk became a much more active anti-Klingon player after ST3/ST4/ST5, gradually developing a bona fide racial hatred in the process.

Timo Saloniemi

all of which is proven by his little conversation with Spock, in Spock's quarters, towards the end of Trek 6..

Rob

 

[Captain Frank]

Remember this well: There shall be no peace, as long as Kirk lives!

The Klingon Ambassador is saying the Klingon Empire will maintain its policy of agression against the Federation, until Kirk pays for his crimes. (Murder of a Klingon crew, theft of a Klingon vessel, secretly developing the Genesis torpedo, creating the Genesis planet to be used as a secret base from which to launch the annihilation of the Klingon people.)

 

[Amaris]

Re: Remember this well: There shall be no peace, as long as Kirk lives

The Klingon Ambassador is saying the Klingon Empire will maintain its policy of agression against the Federation, until Kirk pays for his crimes. (Murder of a Klingon crew, theft of a Klingon vessel, secretly developing the Genesis torpedo, creating the Genesis planet to be used as a secret base from which to launch the annihilation of the Klingon people.)

This is always how I saw it as well. Kirk was already hated amongst the Klingons, at least as far as I could tell, and so the events were conflated by the Klingon Ambassador with his own words, describing Kirk as a "renegade and terrorist".

 

[M.Robison]

"You pompous ass!"

Anytime I watch it I wait for that line. Wish to god I knew who said it. (I'd snicker if it were a Vulcan throwing his voice)