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[JoeP]

Into Darkness redid Wrath of Kahn (in my book that's blasphemy)

If there's ever an argument that leaning on Star Trek's past is guaranteed to work against it in the future, the TWOK-redux portions of Into Darkness pretty much define it.

Star Trek should always be moving forward, and my thought since seeing STID has been that with the Khan story out of their system, Orci, his writers and our new fearless leader director can craft something amazing.

I watched STID last night and the feeling I got at the very end of the film was: Ok, now we have all the origin story, Khan, Starfleet is an army/no it's not stuff out of the way, let's get to exploring. I would love to see an entire nuTrek movie where they never went to Earth or even mentioned it.

Have you taken a look at the ongoing comic series? The next arc beginning in January is the beginning of the 5 year mission. Not really considered canon, I know, but the series has been pretty decent.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Didn't Orci say in a couple of occasions that they were working on a story that did not involve Earth but was set out in deep space during the 5 year mission?
That was before all the director changes though.

 

[M'Sharak]

Didn't Orci say in a couple of occasions that they were working on a story that did not involve Earth but was set out in deep space during the 5 year mission?

I do recall that, yes.


Edit - some links:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/06/26/...ally-boldly-goes-where-no-man-has-gone-befor/

http://screenrant.com/star-tek-3-orci-5-year-mission/

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-trek-3-set-in-deep-space-1201254002/

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-3-orci-comments/

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Trek-3-Return-Franchise-Roots-Head-Deep-Space-43641.html

 

[Jedi_Master]

I watched STID last night and the feeling I got at the very end of the film was: Ok, now we have all the origin story, Khan, Starfleet is an army/no it's not stuff out of the way, let's get to exploring. I would love to see an entire nuTrek movie where they never went to Earth or even mentioned it.

That would certainly be in keeping with TOS, which never actually showed 23rd century Earth.

The only time Kirk and Co. visited Earth in the original series was in time-travel excursions to the Great Depression or the 1960s . . . .

That's right!

It fits the idea that they are on a deep space mission, traveling such great distances from Command that Kirk is required to make decisions without the input of his superiors.

Let's do some actual exploring folks!

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Let's do some actual exploring folks!

well uh I thought we were getting that after the first film, buuuuuuuuut...

 

[Jedi_Master]

Let's do some actual exploring folks!

well uh I thought we were getting that after the first film, buuuuuuuuut...

Cumberbatch. Benny ruins everything...

 

[BeatleJWOL]

you hush or I'll sic a dragon on you

don't you TALK about benadryl lumberjacks that way!

 

[CorporalClegg]

Benadryl Lumberjack: He sleeps all night, and he sleeps all day.

But he's oh-kay.

 

[Set Harth]

Into Darkness redid Wrath of Kahn (in my book that's blasphemy)

In my book spelling his name "Kahn" is blasphemy.

 

[fireproof78]

Into Darkness redid Wrath of Kahn (in my book that's blasphemy)

In my book spelling his name "Kahn" is blasphemy.

I agree

I personally liked the fact that ID explored some of the consequences that occurred from 09, rather than just moving on, or paying lip service to previous events.

As for Kahn () Trek movies seem to be beholden TWOK and live only in that film's shadows, never to be repeated but still the gold standard. This article explains it better than I could, but I would contend that ID works fine on its own, but the production felt beholden to recreate the Khan story because of that films enshrinement in Trek film history.

To use a recent example to illustrate, I enjoyed the Hobbit films very much, but that is because I will not compare them to LOTR films, aside from some very brief moments. The movies should stand on their own, just like books do. Yes, the production team put in overt references, homages and line readings from TWOK and if I excised that scene from the rest of the film I could say it is a rip off. However, I don't because I want the context of the scene, that of Kirk having to make a decision where someone has to die. There is no escaping it, no rules he can break to avoid it. Either him or Scotty is dead. It is the culmination of his arc starting in Trek 09 of maturing to the point of becoming a good starship captain.

I think if they continue Kirk's arc like they are going, he will become a very interesting leader.