Theory: The timeline of TNG after "Yesterday's Enterprise" isn't the same as before that episode

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  1. Discofan

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    You may have a point here. Even if she knew approximately when that death occurred, she couldn't possibly know the exact mission and planet that caused her death. They did a lot of things that could have had some of them killed during that year.
     
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    That raises an issue. Sela shouldn't exist. Sending the Enterprise C back allowed the events to proceed as they originally did. Tasha still died, and wouldn't have existed to join the Enterprise C. She should have vanished as soon as they went through the rift, and the Enterprise C crew wouldn't know that she was ever there.
     
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    That's what I am thinking. Everybody else from that timeline vanished, so why not her but they needed an excuse to bring Denise Crosby back to the show and that's all they got. Plus the fact that she looks exactly like her mother in spite of being half-breed strains believability.
     
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    They could have given her brown hair and some make up. Less pink-skinned perhaps.

    Is Sela's heart in her lower side like Spock's?
     
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    I am a little dubious about this kind of anatomical difference. If our heart is protected by our ribcage it's most likely for an excellent reason. One that conditions our very survival.
     
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    I'm firmly of the mind that YE is a predestination paradox, and the regular timeline we always saw on TNG (even before that episode) could not exist without the Ent-C's intervention.

    Indeed, the "Klingon war future" is what results when the C is taken out of history.

    Therefore, Sela always existed.

    You can't prove she didn't, anyway.
     
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  7. Unimatrix Q

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    I see it this way:

    Timeline 1:
    The Enterprise-C is destroyed by the Romulans, we get the oiginal timeline of Season 1 - 3 until this episode

    Intervention of a unknown faction from the future ( maybe because of the temporal cold war) who create a time rift that sends the Enterprise-C to the year 2366

    Ergo Timeline 2:
    The Federation - Klingon war of "Yesterday's Enterprise"
    Tasha Yar joins the crew of the Enterprise-C and they travel back in time to the battle of Naredra

    Timeline 3:
    Season 3 after "Yesterday's Enterprise" until ?
    Most things are the same as in the first timeline beside the birth of Sela, some minor changes and the occurance of new conflicts with the Talarians, Tzenkethi and the war with the Cardassians for example that didn't happen before.
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    That's the kicker. The time warp that sent the Enterprise-C into the future was not due to purposeful temporal intervention, it was an anomaly spontaneously formed in the Ent-C's present (2344). Thus there is no timeline in which the C was NOT sent forward into the future.
     
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    I find it illogical to believe that such an anomaly is a natural occuring phenomenon, caused by the explosion of photon torpedos...

    Such an explanation is almost on the level of "Threshold" imho. I believe the crew simply didn't knew how they ended up in the future and Captain Garrett only described what happened before.
     
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    Stranger things have happened. :shrug:
     
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    Unimatrix Q Commodore Commodore

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    If such a thing happened in Discovery, i can almost see the outrage and the cries about it being dumb and the show not being *real* star trek again
     
  12. Discofan

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    Time anomalies are a bitch.
     
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    Isn't that outrageous!
     
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    Actually, Discovery's use of time travel(in s1) contains no paradox at all, and is rather straight forward, because they simply used it to fast forward their own season.:lol:
     
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    But that is what the episode would have us believe, that it was an artificially occurring anomaly. Just like how the creation of the wormhole in TMP was caused by an imbalance in the Enterprise’s warp engines. There doesn’t always have to be a bigger reason (i.e. Q, the time cops, the temporal Cold War, etc.) for things to happen in Star Trek. Sometimes things just happen on their own.

    And on a different subject, there is also no indication that the Enterprise-C was actually destroyed prior to the episode “Yesterday’s Enterprise.” The destruction is only mentioned in the war future of YE and then after YE (assuming that the timeline changed after YE and we’re now seeing a universe where alt-Tasha appeared in 2344, was captured, and gave birth to Sela.) For the first three and a half seasons of TNG nobody mentioned the Ent-C or her fate at all.

    However, I believe that the timeline went back to normal after YE, if anything because Guinan never acted as if anything was wrong after YE, like she did during YE.
     
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    Somehow we got to figure out how are Geordi got warverse Geordi's uniform at the end. Jason
     
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  17. Discofan

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    Well, as long as you only travel in the direction of the future, there won't be any paradoxes.
     
  18. Dukhat

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    The wardrobe department made a mistake.
     
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  19. Prax

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    Only if you never return from the future
     
  20. Discofan

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    If you never return then you will just have disappeared at one time only to reappear later. Still no paradoxes.