Except he is also suppose to be aging along with her as mentioned in the episode.
Theory on the true identity of the Valeyard
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Except he is also suppose to be aging along with her as mentioned in the episode.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
The Master knew the Valeyard as the Valeyard BEFORE the Trial where the Valeyard got the name the Valeyard from doing the job of a Valeyard (lawyer).
As soon as he saw his new face, the Valeyard knew his name, and knew the trial of the TimeLord was only a matter of time away... Although the Master was superb at finding places to hide where he was still under a clever variant of the name The Master.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Aliases_of_the_Master
In which case are we to believe that this version of the Doctor, the Valeyard did spend a lot of time surreptitiously hiding himself as someone in the legal profession, or someone who's name roots back to a word meaning Lawyer/Prosecutor?
Ergo, every lawyer we have ever seen in every Season of Doctor Who since An Unearthly Child has always been the Valeyard.
The Master knew the Valeyard as the Valeyard BEFORE the Trial where the Valeyard got the name the Valeyard from doing the job of a Valeyard (lawyer).
As soon as he saw his new face, the Valeyard knew his name, and knew the trial of the TimeLord was only a matter of time away... Although the Master was superb at finding places to hide where he was still under a clever variant of the name The Master.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Aliases_of_the_Master
In which case are we to believe that this version of the Doctor, the Valeyard did spend a lot of time surreptitiously hiding himself as someone in the legal profession, or someone who's name roots back to a word meaning Lawyer/Prosecutor?
Ergo, every lawyer we have ever seen in every Season of Doctor Who since An Unearthly Child has always been the Valeyard.
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She might outlive him, of course. Been a while since I’ve seen it, but wasn’t he essentially mortal?
Maybe the Meta-Crisis Doctor still has some regeneration energy, but not enough to regenerate himself, so he uses it to save Rose, dying in the process, and out of grief ROSE BECOMES THE VALEYARD!
Yea, but I bet his cells could reboot with Regen energy if exposed to the time vortex. Given River Song was human and could also regenerate. Its certainly possible that Meta Doc could eventually become his old new self again.
I remember reading a fan theory that made a good case for a swop with the current Universe Doctor, making Tenants regeneration the result of him actually being the Meta one, and the original was in Pete's world with Rose. While the Meta version soaked up background time radiation and blew up the ship becoming Matt Smith, and then as a bonus for a super zap of new regeneration energy becoming capaldi, thereby making the Meta doctor half human, and his mum a red herring. Interesting concept..
I always saw the Valeyard as being more of a clone or recreation of the Doctor than actually the Doctor himself. If we go metaphysical, the Valeyard could be exactly what the Master described him to be, a manifestation of the Doctor's darker side made flesh and blood somehow. In either scenario, the Valeyard can be looked at as being both the Doctor and not, IMO.
The Time Traveller's Companion, a supplement for the Doctor Who – Adventures in Time and Space: The Roleplaying Game, implies that the Valeyard is a rogue Watcher, similar to the one produced in Logopolis, generated during the regeneration of the twelfth into the thirteenth incarnation. This Watcher, presumed to possess all the most negative traits of the Doctor's darker nature, refused to rejoin with the Time Lord and escaped into the wider universe to eventually put the Doctor on trial.
- The Sixth Doctor suggested this theory during the Valeyard's trial but was answered that the Valeyard did not look like a Watcher, though the theory was not confirmed nor definitely denied. (AUDIO: Trial of the Valeyard)
- The reference book The Doctor: His Lives and Times implies that the High Council of Time Lords "plucked" the Valeyard from within the Doctor's time stream.
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