Or perhaps the Master was just lying when he said the Valeyard was a future Doctor?
I mean, that would be totally within the Master's wheelhouse. You can't really trust anything he says.
Theory on the true identity of the Valeyard
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Or perhaps the Master was just lying when he said the Valeyard was a future Doctor?
I mean, that would be totally within the Master's wheelhouse. You can't really trust anything he says.
Or perhaps the Master was just lying when he said the Valeyard was a future Doctor?
I mean, that would be totally within the Master's wheelhouse. You can't really trust anything he says.
Maybe the Valeyard is a future incarnation of the Master and they were working together.
Or the Valeyard was simply a possible future of the Doctor. I liked the theory that he represented the show's impending cancellation, and as such, I like to view him in that light.
I really want to know how that affects the War Doctor being officially unnumbered rather than being retconned in as the Ninth Doctor. That would've been an option, since Eccleston and Tennant were never referred to as "ninth" or "tenth" on-screen, but for the fact that they did start referring to Smith being the Eleventh Doctor repeatedly, consistently, and explicitly.
Plus, now you've raised the ire of the Morbius truthers.
I don't think you could ever really replace Ninth-Tenth-Eleventh ever, even after the War Doctor reveal, and even if Moffat hadn't identified the latter as "Eleven" throughout the Amy Pond years. Its embedded in the public consciousness by then.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Arc_of_Infinity_(TV_story)
Omega built his own Doctor, from a MatrixWiki, and beamed his mind into the empty husk.
The Matrix predicts the future scientifically with statistical models, but calls those forcasts "prophecy".
The dots connect themselves.
Omega built his own Doctor, from a MatrixWiki, and beamed his mind into the empty husk.
The Matrix predicts the future scientifically with statistical models, but calls those forcasts "prophecy".
The dots connect themselves.
Well, a "Trial of a Time Lord" definitely describes what the show was put through during the time of the Sixth and Seventh Doctors.
I like that idea, also similar to how the time war changed the history of the Daleks (from 60s Who to the revised Genesis of the Daleks Origin)
A good point. Maybe we could get a go of Tennant first before seeing him take someone else?
Maybe he's got a bad ticker, as a metaphor for loosing Rose, and a reminder to everyone that he only has one heart. He has a massive heart attack after going toe-to-toe with the Doctor, and as he's dying, he steals the body of one of the heart surgeons who tries to save him. And the guy who plays the surgeon is Michael Jayston!
That could work, quite like that. Could have Keeper of Traken vibes, and we could use some CGI to make Jayston look young. Would be quite cool if the next time we saw him we actually got Jayston back, aged from years of trying to pull off another scheme or something. With Jayston being fairly old though it would then make sense for him to pass onto someone else.
Another idea I came up with is just having the Valeyard being some parasitic shape shifting creature, sort of based off Green Lantern's Parallax, meaning we could get a Jayston cameo at least, and would stand out against villains like the Master a bit more.
Crikey, they all sound so old.
Yet so in-character, right down to dialogue - absolutely worth ordering, thank you for posting that!
I wonder if the Valeyard is an evil duplicate/ Time Remnant, anyone watch CW's flash??
Is Adric is HR?
LOL Adric is HR, and died again..
Actually the quote was Somewhere between [his] twelfth and final regeneration"
Which means it could be at any point in the future since I assume that we'll never see the final regeneration.
In any case, I always understood the Valeyard to be a potential Doctor, the Time Lords having scoured the future of possibilities and created the Valeyard out of future potentials, rather than being an actual future incarnation of the Doctor.
That's the TV episode, not the novelization. I was proposing that the Ganger Doctor becomes the Valeyard because he corresponds to an intersection of both the TV episode and the novelization, so it doesn't violate either. Of course, there's still the problem of him being a big puddle on the floor...
I think somebody mentioned something like that. That's kinda why I like the idea of the Meta-Crisis Doctor being the Valeyard. David Tennant is really good at playing villains, and you could make the excuse that a Valeyard-like version of the Doctor was inevitable even if the "Trial of a Time Lord" version never came into being, so the specific timing doesn't matter.
The Whole Dark aspects of the Doctor's psyche makes me think the Doctor was driven into a dark place and a psychic break happened, in which when he regenerated (maybe forced again by the time lords, or a future villain like the Master) which resulted in the Doctor becoming the Valeyard and going after his 6th incarnation, cause lets face it.. When you are a dick in the past, sometimes you say to yourself if you could time travel back, you'd smack yourself and ask "what the hell are you doing!?" Maybe the Valeyard is just that.. LOL
Or maybe the Valeyard was a cover, and he was trying to foil the Master's plot??
Or maybe the Valeyard was a cover, and he was trying to foil the Master's plot??
I think I've said it before, but in my mind, he's the future version of the Sixth Doctor. Like, he was a possible future Doctor that the Sixth Doctor finally eradicated when he regenerated into Sylvester McCoy. So even if we ever see a Valeyard again, it won't be the the Michael Jayston version.
You know what’s an interesting PS to my “Meta-crisis Doctor is the Valeyard” theory? The fact that just two episodes later, we got “Timelord Victorious” - what if The Doctor was always on course to his darkness, but while Ten was able to pull himself back, what if Ten-Meta couldn’t, even with Rose by his side?
Yeah, there is potential with Meta-Crisis Doctor becoming the "Mirror Universe" equivelant to the Doctor. I mean, he already committed genocide in Journey's End when the Tenth Doctor wouldn't. Who knows what will happen with him when Rose eventually dies of old age?
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