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The "You Explain It, Thread" Explain it!

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Star Trek has a LOT of contradictions, inconsistencies and outright silliness.

It's one thing to nitpick them, but can anyone actually give a reasonable explanation for how or why something happens in Trek?

For example, the Klingons originally had smooth heads like humans. Later they have ridges. For years there were never an explanation.

Then Enterprise attempted to explain why. I didn't buy it- it didn't click.

How can the Universal Translator possibly work? It's just not possible--unless someone can explain it.

Sometimes a Starfleet officer will tap on their badge to speak to someone else or the computer.

At other times they'll just speak aloud and yet somehow the badge knows to relay the message instantaneously no less-there should at least be a delay.

Who would be able to give an explanation of this and still have it make sense?

Another all time classic;

If 24th century humans no longer use or need money, then how come they're constantly shown doing things--to earn money, including commit crime??

The jobs, the businesses, the bargaining- it makes no sense.

Who can explain this so it all makes sense and fits logically in science, the story line and canon?

Be prepared to have your explanation ripped by someone else if it doesn't hold up.
 
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Then Enterprise attempted to explain why. I didn't buy it- it didn't click.

First people complained about the lack of explanation, then they refuse to accept the given explanation.
There's nothing to explain further because it was already done.
It's up to you to accept it or not.

How can the Universal Translator possibly work? It's just not possible--unless someone can explain it.

With the introduction of Vulcans in FC who likely learned English by observing Humanity before touching down on the planet, they probably contained a list of species they encountered and shared their database with Humans (which they did as shown in Enterprise).
Humans (or rather Hoshi) then likely developed sophisticated computer algorithms that analyze numerous different alien languages (at first it was from the Vulcan database) and probably finds some kind of commonalities between humanoid races... in case of other races that aren't humanoid, they probably used various animal sounds from different worlds.
Acquatics have a language which is predominantly nothing but whale-like sounds underwater... and they were able to decipher/translate this language.

If you're going to complain about the 'easiness' of deciphering alien language which 'in reality' should have nothing in common with what we know, then explain why Trek humanoid cultures have 'marriage' and other things that are oh so 'prevalent' in human society.
And the explanation that it's 'universal' is just plain old cop-out.
We are talking about ALIEN life form... something that is NOT like us.
This is just one of those things that one would have to 'accept' at face value.

Though, if you are dealing with a culture that already met other alien races, knows your own, and shared this information with you... some kind of a 'commonality' between them, or 'a pattern' might be located which can help you extrapolate the rest.
Besides, they have highly advanced technology to help them.

Sometimes a Starfleet officer will tap on their badge to speak to someone else or the computer.

At other times they'll just speak aloud and the badge knows to relay the message instantaneously no less-there should at least be a delay.

The first bit has nothing to explain. You tap a badge to open a comm channel. You can also use it to contact the computer (obviously) - though the second option was used seldom because of verbal interface.

As for the instant shuffling of communications to the other party... I personally agree that there should be at least a minor delay... unless they use relativistic effects to compensate (which is unlikely).
Secondary option would be that the computer is monitoring the situation and conversations at all times, and is able to 'predict' to whom the calls would be made.
In case of Tuvok contacting Kim on the bridge and the signal being instant (as we've seen)... it's possible that Tuvok pre-programmed the channel to be opened to Kim upon tapping the badge. Kim could have done the same upon replying.

If 24th century humans no longer use or need money, then how come they're constantly shown doing things--to earn money, including commit crime??

The jobs, the businesses, the bargaining- it makes no sense.

Who can explain this so it all makes sense and fits logically in science, the story line and canon?

In practically ALL of those instances, it was shown that the individuals who earn money, committed crimes, etc... were NOT part of the Federation, or preferred to lead a 'double life' of sorts.
It's possible that the majority of humans moved on, but few would retain the desire for material obsession and in most of those cases, they would leave the Federation because it doesn't offer money.

There was an argument that Sisko was obsessed about having a house on Bajor.
One thing to keep in mind that Sisko expressed a desire to move and live on Bajor, and as such was devoted to it as something of his goal in life.
Humans didn't stop from being driven by various things.
It's the obsessive compulsion of acquiring wealth and power that was mostly talked about which was eliminated.
Money was eliminated in the late 22nd century per Voyager (the new world economy took place then).

When SF officers were shown to use money of sorts, it was always with cultures that were NOT part of UFP (because they had to comply with local law - but in most cases, when ships needed something, it was done through resource exchange... never money or currency of any kind)...
Bolians and Risans were never explicitly mentioned to be Federation members which explains various monetary terms used when associated with those cultures.

Vash, was evidently an 'outcast' of sorts... and she was actually quite greedy as a person as evident per on-screen evidence.
She HAD to 'buy' her passage to Risa obviously.
But then again, do we know that she actually meant 'money' or 'currency' of any kind when she said it?
She could have traded resources and merely used an antiquated term to describe it.
Most humans/individuals who decided to cut away from the Federation were shown to be dealing with or lived in money based economies.
I don't see the problem really because as I already stated, it was 'contained' to isolated individuals or cultures that used currency/money but not the Federation as a whole.
 
Because it's a television show.

Seriously, you're never ever gonna make the pieces of Trek fit together. The deeper you dig, the more inconsistancies and sheer nonsense you'll uncover ("The Q and the Grey" = the Q have never reproduced. "True Q" = a girl learns her parents were Q *facepalm*) The solution is to ignore the details and view Trek as a "vague history"
 
Well... the Q as such may have never reproduced as Q himself stated.
Amandas parents were an exception to the rule, and their decision to leave the continuum and live as humans was looked as something VERY BAD (a decision for which they were killed for)... besides, if we're going to delve into semantics (and I think it's necessary exactly because we are dealing with a setting which not like ours) Amanda's parents had a child in Human form... not actual Q form (and Q himself stated that it was 'disgusting')
To the Q, this could be a huge difference.
 
Because it's a television show.

Seriously, you're never ever gonna make the pieces of Trek fit together. The deeper you dig, the more inconsistancies and sheer nonsense you'll uncover ("The Q and the Grey" = the Q have never reproduced. "True Q" = a girl learns her parents were Q *facepalm*) The solution is to ignore the details and view Trek as a "vague history"

^ This. Pure and simple.


But no, there are fans who crave to have the Star Trek world make complete sense in every respect... so they pick and nibble at details until they find a way to make them plausible. Soon they forget at how strained the stretching is to make things "fit". And it's all folly, as many gaps and contradictions are purely caused by mistakes or lack of time to fill in a complete picture.

For example, "they did away with money." Yes, and replaced them with "credits." If you don't have any kind of financial system, and people just "take what they want", it will not work. Besides, how do you interface with all of those other races that DO have monetary systems? If not, they would come and visit, exploit the Federation abundance, leave, and then sell goods elsewhere to make a major profit.
 
Mutiple quantum realities...

If something doesn't jibe with an earlier episode, it happened in a different quantum reality.

Yeah, that's kinda' "cheating", but it's about the only "in multiverse" explanation that makes any sense.

Or, accept the "MST3K" philosophy, "Just keep reminding yourself it's just a show, I oughta' just relax..."

Sincerely,

Bill
 
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The thing about "no money" is best explained by accepting that they have, earn and spend "credits", but they don't work themselves to death just for money, they don't have speculative stock markets, they don't fall for emails from fallen Ferengi princes promising a payout if they will help move some cash across bank accounts....

They have money, they just don't care about it. They can still care about things that mean something, the antiques Kirk's friends give him in TWOK mean something not because his friends spent money on them, but because his friends knew he would appreciate those kinds of gifts and went out of their way to find them.



For the communicator delay: it's still there, thankfully the persons editing the footage have spared us the tediousness of watching it. When someone taps their badge and says someone's name, the computer holds that message for a few moments until they locate that person, then transmit that held message, then switch the conversation to real time when they respond.

As for the Klingon ridges: there's the ENT explanation, which is kinda goofy, but works well enough. And there's the old fanon explanation (based on Ford writings) that the Klingon Empire is a true "empire"; it's comprised of many different, though similar races and the ridged and non-ridged are the two most prominent ones we've seen. I could even make the argument that cross-breeding had been happening for some time, and the virus seen in ENT was pulling up that non-ridged DNA.
 
Seriously, you're never ever gonna make the pieces of Trek fit together. The deeper you dig, the more inconsistancies and sheer nonsense you'll uncover

Part of the fun is trying-- if you're clever enough you can possibly come up with an explanation that fills all three requirements.

All it really needs to do is stand up to scrutiny, that's all.

About the communicator;

But how the badge "know" when the speaker is talking to someone else, or intending to use the badge to speak to someone? All the officers do is just blurt out the name and the badge magically knows that it was intended to page someone else with a badge.

The Klingon head ridges- Kahlest is shown in an TOS episode as having a smooth head--he lived long before the Enterprise's explanation.

But decades later, a clone of Kahlest shows him with a ridged head, that means Enterprise's explanation is a fail-an epic fail.

If you're going to complain about the 'easiness' of deciphering alien language which 'in reality' should have nothing in common with what we know, then explain why Trek humanoid cultures have 'marriage' and other things that are oh so 'prevalent' in human society.


That explanation about the U.T is pretty good but not quite there.

Human beings evolved from a common culture before spreading out- they retained a number of "common" customs as they migrated across the globe--like a "big bang" except with culture.

But to understand the mind of an alien from another planet light years away by a device that fits in head/ear? Are they hearing words or sensing thoughts?
No explanation..
 
The Klingon head ridges- Kahlest is shown in an TOS episode as having a smooth head--he lived long before the Enterprise's explanation.

But decades later, a clone of Kahlest shows him with a ridged head, that means Enterprise's explanation is a fail-an epic fail.

No, not at all. Kirk, in the days of TOS, had only ever met smooth headed Klingons. He thought they all looked like that. The image of Kahless was drawn from Kirk's mind, so Kahless appeared as that kind of Klingon. Kirk had no idea what real Klingons looked like, so they couldn't show Kahless as one.

The clone of Kahless, on the other hand, was shown in TNG as a *real* Klingon, since the clone was grown from a blood sample.
 
All inconsistencies are the resulting the timeline "righting" itself after one of the numerous time travel incursions in Trek.

INB4 "time righting itself is lame". (It is, though).
 
Worf covered the Klingon ridges most effectively in Trials and Tribble-ations. Yes it was canonically covered, in that episode; nothing can unseat Worf's explanation. Everything else is a canon-contradiction.

As far as the no-money thing: Well, you see, we are supposed to share and share alike in the 23rd and 24th centuries, but the primitive 20th century writers, and perhaps more importantly, the backwards viewers, could never wrap their heads around the I'd-like-to-teach-the-world-to-sing harmony of that. So, we got Federation credits as a stop gap.

The universal translator: TOS: Metamorphosis says it works by scanning brain wave patterns. Now, that's a promising idea, but it's also really hard to swallow when operating over the viewscreen, but--hey, look over there!

Tapping the communicator. You know, that was just dumb. Super dumb actually. Stargate's headsets were a much better idea. TNG communicators don't exactly have a stealth mode. (Yeah, I know TOS communicators don't seem to either, but if you are going to improve things 20 years later, you could actually improve them, eh?)

Let's not forget that the ship's computer is listening to every last damn thing on the ship and parsing it for commands, based on word selection and voice inflection.
 
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Well, TOS showed humans working and scheming for profit all the time. Harry Mudd is just one example.

Hell, the moment they created the replicators, there was very little reason for any culture to resort to crime, or have a desperate economy. Much less work their asses off.

Yet you have the Ferengi, the Cardassians and the Bajorans etc -all seem to need to work, scheme or conquer in order to prosper.

Look at Kassidy Yates- she was shown having to work for money as if she needs to. She even risked prison doing her job -for money she doesn't really need?

You've got replicators that can make food, clothing, gifts- it makes no sense.

The universal translator: TOS: Metamorphosis says it works by scanning brain wave patterns. Now, that's a promising idea, but it's also really hard to swallow when operating over the viewscreen, but--hey, look over there!

Bingo-- over the view screen, that explanation can't hold up. Have to find another way.

If anyone can explain in a few sentences about how the Klingons lost and regained their ridges as explained in Enterprise, great, because their explanation just didn't do it for me.

All Worf said was 'we don't discuss it with outsiders' which was kind of cool, because it preserved the mystery. But once Enterprise got a hold of it.. :wtf:
 
Money is pretty simple to explain...

Everything that cannot be replicated such as property, transport, energy sources and latinum exchange is done with credits. Since people don't have to spend credits on anything needed to survive or live a comfortable existence, it eliminates the need for material wealth and acquisition. Those in organisations such as Starfleet probably have an enormous accumulation of credits because they have very little need to purchase anything whilst in service and when returning home from deep space assignments, they have the credits to purchase property in idyllic locations, such as Kirk's San Francisco apartment (although 23rd and 24th century Earth locations may all be idyllic in Star Trek!)

People like Kassidy Yates are attracted to the lifestyle of running a cargo ship. As independent contractors they have to provide the energy sources needed to power their ship and provide their staff with wages - especially the non-Federation citizens. Those such as Yates want to travel space but have no interest in joining Starfleet or similar organisations, so they do it themselves and are thus required to work more frequently with currency than they would within the Federation.
 
Why are there farms if replicators are prevalent? Or rather, why are farms listed as essential?
 
Ooh, or why would Data have a maid in the future setting of All Good Things? Why would servants exist at all?
 
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