The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

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  1. crookeddy

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    I think apocalypse ruins him once and for all. He murders seemingly millions of people and Xavier just lets him go.
     
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  2. JD

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    Yeah, I only vaguely remember Apocalypse, but the one thing I do remember is that the end of Magneto's story felt kind of weird.
     
  3. DigificWriter

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    The following rant is based on interactions I've been engaging in elswhere, but is being brought up here because I need somewhere to vent:
    It could not be more evident that "Dark Phoenix" is a deliberate "echo" of The Last Stand, and yet there are some who refuse to see that and are even attempting to shut down discussion about how and why those similarities are present and being presented by evoking their own moderated authority, and it's both baffling and annoying.
     
  4. Anwar

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    He gave up on all his dreams of Mutant Supremacy after DOFP, married a human woman and had a kid and became a Steel Worker.

    Then they die due to plot contrivance, he gets recruited by Apocalypse and is fine destroying the world and killing everyone including all mutants and then Xavier lets him go at the end.
     
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  5. crookeddy

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    Yup, pretty much this. I was honestly ok with it all up to the moment Xavier just let him go. That was insane.
     
  6. DigificWriter

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    Xavier, in both the original timeline and the altered timeline, is perpetually willing to give Erik the benefit of doubt and an opportunity to change, even when he ought to just stop him and let him rot in custody. It's one of his biggest character flaws, and, IMO, is one of the things that makes him an interesting character; others' mileage may vary on that score, though.
     
  7. grendelsbayne

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    It's made him an interesting character at times. But the franchise went back to that well too often and too grandiosely, without ever really overtly calling Xavier out on the fundamental injustice of it. Eventually it just turned into movies not bothering to have any real consequences because there always has to be a next one.
     
  8. Ethros

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    Yeah I find Apocalypse really weird. During the last segment the entire world is basically being pulled apart. We see whole skyscrapers and buildings in New York and Sydney torn to shreds- but it's not like it's only meant to be happening there, they're just shown as examples. Wasn't that supposed to be happening literally everywhere on Earth? Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the dialogue made out it was.

    Every city, town, village undergoing damage like that. In the entire world.
    People say the ending of Man of Steel was OTT, this was like that but everywhere.
    Surely millions upon millions, 10s even 100s of millions died? Even in Cairo alone it must have been thousands killed when Apocalypse remodels the entire city.

    Then at the end it's like "oh repairs are underway"... erm, oh right so it's all ok now? That's why it's so funny when Magneto is just allowed to walk away again, with the "goodbye old friend" routine yet again. There's zero consequences for anything in that movie.
     
  9. crookeddy

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    For me, it was the worst of the franchise. Yes, worse than X3 - at least that one had some good ideas it failed to expand on. Apocalypse was just a braindead movie.
     
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    It's gotten to the point of outright stupidity.
     
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  11. JD

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    I do remember all that now, it was a definite WTF moment.
     
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    The only reason it keeps happening is because Magneto is the only real effective villain the X-Men have, they're too scared of breaking free of the shackles Singer stuck them in at the start and having to expand beyond that.

    I mean really, if they had the guts to knock off Magneto and give us movies where he's not in the plot at all and the villains are Mastermold or Sauron the movies would be better for it.
     
  13. JD

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    I still can't understand how we have gotten 11 movies and we still haven't gotten Mr. Sinister as a villain.
     
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    I can't understand how we got a movie about Apocalypse, yet Magneto was still one of the main villains. I was super excited when I saw DoFP because 1) the movie was great and 2) the credits scene promised me I could finally see the X-men expand beyond Magneto. The next movie could not really have disappointed me more.
     
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    I still enjoy the X-Men movies, despite it's issues I even enjoyed Apocalypse overall, but it is getting a bit ridiculous the hoops they're jumping through to keep Magneto involved in the stories.
     
  16. Set Harth

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    Magneto and Apocalypse have a bit of history in the comics, though. As such, it only makes sense for Magneto to become one of the horsemen in the film. There's gotta be some fairly powerful individuals in there, we wouldn't want the horsemen to be all scrubs.

    The stinger in Apocalypse certainly made it look like Logan would involve Sinister. The text blurb for Logan in Comcast's trailer menu even said he was in it.
     
  17. Ethros

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    Jennifer Lawrence once said in an interview that her, McAvoy and Fassbender's contracts all said if one of them were in an X-movie then the other two had to be too. So Mystique & Magneto had to be in the third movie regardless (as obviously Xavier would be in it.)
    I guess you could have just done them as cameos, but I they probably didn't wanna waste them so I feel like that had to write in a whole unnecessary subplot and shoehorn in Magneto to it.

    And you get the feeling the only reason Lawrence agreed to Dark Phoenix is because she begged them to kill her off.
     
  18. Marsden

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    I agree!

    Also, it would have been nice to have an X-Men cosmic adventure with the Shi'ar. I'm not sure if there's rights issues but they are the ones that provided the super jet powers among other things, they could have had a space adventure.

    Nevermind, apparently they are showing up in the new movie. :alienblush:
     
  19. grendelsbayne

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    Except they kinda were anyway. Magneto was sleepwalking through the entire movie, Storm barely had a part and the other two didn't really even qualify as anything other than scenery.

    It would have worked better and been far more faithful to the comics to make the 'main' horseman one of the already established hero characters who the audience actually cared about. Bringing Magneto back as a villain yet again, only now with zero personality, was not a winning idea.

    Yeah, I remember that. I don't think it was very good for the series. But they still could have made it work without focusing on him as a villain yet again. Magneto also has a long history as an X-man himself. They could have at least taken a stab at that so that they weren't repeating themselves so much (and so that they wouldn't have to 'justify' letting him go yet again).
     
  20. Set Harth

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    Magneto seems worthy of horseman status on the basis of power level alone... that was the point.

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