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The weekly WATCHMEN episode sum-up

Nevertheless, he’s not a hero to be looked up to. None of them are. They are all damaged fucked up people. They are not people to aspire to. Especially Rorschach who is so trapped by his code he needs someone to kill him because he can’t walk away.
From the man himself

Alan: Yes, I do. That was another very interesting character, and it was almost a pure Steve Ditko character, in that it was odd-looking. "The Question" didn't look like any other super-hero on the market, and it also seemed to be a kind of mainstream comics version of Steve Ditko's far more radical "Mr. A," from witzend. I remember at the time—this would've been when I was just starting to get involved in British comics fandom—there was a British fanzine that was published over here by a gentleman called Stan Nichols (who has since gone to write a number of fantasy books). In Stan's fanzine, Stardock, there was an article called "Propaganda, or Why the Blue Beetle Voted for George Wallace." [laughter] This was the late-'60s, and British comics fandom had quite a strong hippie element. Despite the fact that Steve Ditko was obviously a hero to the hippies with his psychedelic "Dr. Strange" work and for the teen angst of Spider-Man, Ditko's politics were obviously very different from those fans. His views were apparent through his portrayals of Mr. A and the protesters or beatniks that occasionally surfaced in his other work. I think this article was the first to actually point out that, yes, Steve Ditko did have a very right-wing agenda (which of course, he's completely entitled to), but at the time, it was quite interesting, and that probably led to me portraying [Watchmen character] Rorschach as an extremely right-wing character.
 
The difference with Superman is 1) He had a healthy normal upbringing before learning he was an alien and 2) He has a more significant advantage over the bad guys than Batman.

I like the FBI agent’s nihilist attitude toward superheroes and what she considers anarchist.

His upbringing was too perfect.

Whether that means that the Kents are robots, psychologically conditioned humans, or implanted memories, Lois shitting on him about using words like "swell" in the 1979 movie, has me believe that Clark can't have been part of the real world, before arriving in Metropolis.

Is movie Clark Kent a Vietnam War draft dodger?

As an illegal immigrant, maybe his name never made it to the draft lottery?
 
His upbringing was too perfect.

Whether that means that the Kents are robots, psychologically conditioned humans, or implanted memories, Lois shitting on him about using words like "swell" in the 1979 movie, has me believe that Clark can't have been part of the real world, before arriving in Metropolis.

Is movie Clark Kent a Vietnam War draft dodger?

As an illegal immigrant, maybe his name never made it to the draft lottery?
Didn't Clark spend 12 years at The fortress of solitude with the jor-el recording? He left home when he was 18 and arrived in metropolis when he was 30.
 
Longer?

The age difference when we saw them on the train, Lois was maybe 10 years old. It's going to take two decades for that little squirt to grow up into Margot Kidder.
 
Didn't Clark spend 12 years at The fortress of solitude with the jor-el recording? He left home when he was 18 and arrived in metropolis when he was 30.
In some versions. In others he wanders the world gather knowledge ( and meets Bruce Wayne). In others he goes to college right after high school studies journalism ( and meets a mermaid in a wheelchair)
 
In some versions. In others he wanders the world gather knowledge ( and meets Bruce Wayne). In others he goes to college right after high school studies journalism ( and meets a mermaid in a wheelchair)
I know all this, I was responding to Guy Gardner's comments on the 1979 movie.
 
In the Superman year one comic still coming out right now... Clark joins the army. He's using his powers in secret, so that he doesn't have to kill anyone, and his superiors don't notice.
 
President Robert Redford :)

I like the way they dropped the note of Spielberg putting the red coat in a different movie in this timeline last episode, then did the spot coloring of the blood trails in this one.

This episode took the show to a new level. Is it a limited series or meant as another long term show?
 
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Wow. That was an exceptional hour of television. The mystery of Hooded Justice is something I've wondered about ever since I first read the graphic novel, but I never expected a story like this. My only quibble would be that HJ was described in the comic as being an exceptionally large man, and the actor playing him in the show seemed to have a normal build.

It was so good that it wasn't until after it was over that I realized that we didn't get any follow up on Looking Glass or Ozymandias. (Although the Petey-Pedia entry this week indicates that Laurie wants Looking Glass brought in immediately for questioning)

And the other cops knew Angela/Sister Night's real ID? I was under the impression that the cops hid their IDs even from each other.

Also-- The Nazi rally in New York, 1939, that was mentioned in this episode with 22,000 attendees was real and is another bit of American history that gets glossed over by historians.
 
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Wow. That was an exceptional hour of television. The mystery of Hooded Justice is something I've wondered about ever since I first read the graphic novel, but I never expected a story like this. My only quibble would be that HJ was described in the comic as being an exceptionally large man, and the actor playing him in the show seemed to have a normal build.

It was so good that it wasn't until after it was over that I realized that we didn't get any follow up on Looking Glass or Ozymandias. (Although the Petey-Pedia entry this week indicates that Laurie wants Looking Glass brought in immediately for questioning)

And the other cops knew Angela/Sister Night's real ID? I was under the impression that the cops hid their IDs even from each other.

Also-- The Nazi rally in New York, 1939, that was mentioned in this episode with 20,000 attendees was real and is another bit of American history that gets glossed over by historians.

I saw the hooded justice (and the granddaddy klansman thing) coming from episode one.
Didn’t predict the baby being mrs justice. Though that will be interesting to follow.

There’s a big vein of past injustice creating present ones, and hint around letting the past go before it kills you, which I wonder about.

And we did get some follow up on ozy. We know he’s a hypocrite, though they maybe should have considered a closer resemblance with captain metropolis.
 
Wow. That was an exceptional hour of television. The mystery of Hooded Justice is something I've wondered about ever since I first read the graphic novel, but I never expected a story like this. My only quibble would be that HJ was described in the comic as being an exceptionally large man, and the actor playing him in the show seemed to have a normal build.

It was so good that it wasn't until after it was over that I realized that we didn't get any follow up on Looking Glass or Ozymandias. (Although the Petey-Pedia entry this week indicates that Laurie wants Looking Glass brought in immediately for questioning)

And the other cops knew Angela/Sister Night's real ID? I was under the impression that the cops hid their IDs even from each other.

Also-- The Nazi rally in New York, 1939, that was mentioned in this episode with 20,000 attendees was real and is another bit of American history that gets glossed over by historians.
It’s possible that some of how Hooded Justice looked became exaggerated, like how people thought he was supernaturally strong. The Peteypedia has Capt. Metropolis’ will, which mentions Will being over six feet tall.

This was an amazing episode though.
 
Yeah, really great episode. I was totally fooled by the opening scene with the two cops questioning HJ. Those cheesy accents should have been a dead giveaway.

The scenes in New York reminded me of an article I recently read about how today's gang culture in Chicago grew out of the need by black people to protect themselves from police gangs in past decades.

I like how even in the distant past in this world, there was still some outlandishly advanced tech.

When the police captain passed Will by, I thought, well it's 1940's New York, so yeah, but I actually found that Will receiving his badge from the (likely first and only) black officer on the force somewhat moving. Will seemed to accept it similarly though I'm sure he realized it was rooted in racism.

The way Will's memories, as experienced by Angela, were beautifully poetic. Loved the way she slipped in and out of Will's image periodically as if to gently remind us that these were memories and not just flashbacks. They were obviously having a having a profound affect on her.

I found the explanation for Hooded Justice's fury to be quite plausible. He had lots to be angry about. It was refreshing that June recognized it and confronted him about it.

Okay, I cheered when Fred Trump took one in the forehead, and continued as Will meted out street justice to the rest of the Klansmen cops.

Now that Angela has been made aware of her history, I'm anxious to see how she will now relate to old Will and how his plan with Lady Trieu will unfold.
 
My only quibble would be that HJ was described in the comic as being an exceptionally large man, and the actor playing him in the show seemed to have a normal build.
This crossed my mind as well.
It’s possible that some of how Hooded Justice looked became exaggerated, like how people thought he was supernaturally strong.
I think you're right. This was kind of proven in the American Hero scenes as we see HJ depicted as a really big hulking guy who is very strong. This is the way he is seen in the comic as well as the movie, but I don't mind this kind of retcon.

Ironically, Louis Gossett is actually a pretty big guy at 6'4". Figure the actor playing young Will was just right for the role despite his lack of size/
 
This crossed my mind as well.

I think you're right. This was kind of proven in the American Hero scenes as we see HJ depicted as a really big hulking guy who is very strong. This is the way he is seen in the comic as well as the movie, but I don't mind this kind of retcon.

Ironically, Louis Gossett is actually a pretty big guy at 6'4". Figure the actor playing young Will was just right for the role despite his lack of size/
Even the comic scenes were memories and the early masked heroes all looked up to him. That could have influenced how they saw him.

That interview with Alan Moore from a few years ago that was being passed around online on his birthday about how superheroes were inspired by Birth of a Nation makes this retcon more interesting. Taking one of the more problematic characters who wore a noose around his neck and making him a black man who was actually hung. He took the noose and hood, which was meant to terrify him into submission, and turning them into a symbol of fear and intimidation for the racists who gave it to him. But even then, he’s forced to hide behind it and whitewash himself like how history itself was whitewashed in order to avoid racism from his fellow heroes.
 
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