Spoilers The Walking Dead: the 11th and final season
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I guess this belongs here until we start a spinoff show thread.
https://tvline.com/2022/04/27/melissa-mcbride-leaving-walking-dead-spinoff-daryl-and-carol/
The spinoff is now a Daryl show, set and FILMED in Europe. Speculation time: Did they know about this in advance, and used the show to misdirect us on Carol's death?
I guess the spinoff will focus on the enhanced zombies, and maybe the search for the cure as seen in the after credits scene of the World Beyond finale. Might be linked to by the Rick movies too, since Rick is likely in Europe...
https://tvline.com/2022/04/27/melissa-mcbride-leaving-walking-dead-spinoff-daryl-and-carol/
The spinoff is now a Daryl show, set and FILMED in Europe. Speculation time: Did they know about this in advance, and used the show to misdirect us on Carol's death?
I guess the spinoff will focus on the enhanced zombies, and maybe the search for the cure as seen in the after credits scene of the World Beyond finale. Might be linked to by the Rick movies too, since Rick is likely in Europe...
Interesting...but two things come to mind: with Carol no longer involved in the spin-off, one has to wonder if she loses plot armor, or will simply be "back home" as TWD ends, with the expectation that Daryl will return. That, and with Daryl in Europe, how much of a plot could he drive? He's still the same character in a sense, so what would he offer to any other survivors?
I'm no so certain the spin-off should go forward at this point.
I'm no so certain the spin-off should go forward at this point.
I did write speculation that Carol the character is done for
I agree, this spin-off's existence is affecting my excitement for the main show ending... Its almost spoilers...
I thought that when the spin off was announced the two would were going to be traveling across the United States looking for a place to settle down.
The only reason to set it in Europe would be to give it some connection with 'The World Beyond' which ended with the post credits scene set in France.
Also, IMO, I feel like what happened in Europe should be something covered in the 'Tales from the Walking Dead' spin off; not with one of the characters from the main series.
Unless the producers pull the rug out from us and kill Daryl during the course of the series, we, the viewers, know he had "plot immunity", so nothing is going to happen to him.
I'd rather watch an anthology not knowing if the character is going to survive the zombie apocalypse.
The only reason to set it in Europe would be to give it some connection with 'The World Beyond' which ended with the post credits scene set in France.
Also, IMO, I feel like what happened in Europe should be something covered in the 'Tales from the Walking Dead' spin off; not with one of the characters from the main series.
Unless the producers pull the rug out from us and kill Daryl during the course of the series, we, the viewers, know he had "plot immunity", so nothing is going to happen to him.
I'd rather watch an anthology not knowing if the character is going to survive the zombie apocalypse.
Ah--hypothetically, even if Daryl was used as the hook to anything assoicated with TWD:WB (which is one of the worst kind of spin-off bait jobs used throughout TV history), his going off alone has to be motivated by something so major he'd be willing to leave his entire family behind on an uncertain, risky journey. Really, why would Daryl take this voyage?
I think the only way for this to work is if it turned out Rick was in Europe, Michonne found him, and Daryl was informed of this news...but even that does not justify a limited series. At this point, I sort of feel the same about the Maggie/Negan series, because we can guess there will be some back and forth over Negan killing Glenn / Maggie not being able to forgive or forget, but then what? What's the capper to their journey in TWD franchise? Death? Reconciliation?
Also getting to Europe will presumably not be easy. Even if there are still viable aircraft surely any aviation fuel has degraded to the point of being useless by now, so we're talking a long sea voyage, presumably by sailboat so it might be weeks, and relies on not only having boat that's still intact and more importantly a crew who know what they're doing. (Not sure this was ever addressed in TWD or FTWD but presumably some satellites are still in orbit, is there any viable GPS anymore?
How long do satellites reamin in orbit sans routine maintenance, how long can a post-industrialization world can boats (of the kind to cross oceans) be maintained, and just how many years have passed since the start of the ZA?
Honestly, I've never been completely sold on this spin-off or the Negan/Maggie one. I mean, I love all four characters, but I just don't see what a spin-off done nearly immediately after TWD ends could do to add to these characters. Granted, one could argue that you could wait and see and it might turn out to be insanely awesome, and I agree that is a possibility, but from my perspective at the moment, that's how I feel.
As for the issue of satellites and GPS, I'm sure that can be handwaved with a reference to the Civic Republic or something.
I just went to Smithsonian website and their answer is indefinitely, even without regular maintenance/course corrections.
Currently, the satellite that has been in orbit the longest that still functions was launched in 1978.
So, if someone still had access to the satellites, it might be possible to fly/sail to Europe using navigation satellites.
If you've ever seen Life After People, it paints a pretty good (though obviously slightly different given the circumstances) picture of how completely effed up the WD world would be at this point in a zombie apocalypse without a functioning industrial society to maintain our infrastructure: exploding gas plants, nuclear disasters, flooded cities, degraded roads, packs of feral dogs, even herds of wild elephants that populated North America after escaping from zoos.
Of course, that is a different story than the writers wanted to tell here so we have to accept a certain amount of creative license for TWD to work.
Yeah, that tracks with my concerns. If either limited series is say, six episodes, what will be their point? If they all lead to the Rick movie(s), fine for reunion's sake, but what's the central conflict, and is is completely divorced from the Commonwealth story?
Thanks for the information! This really debunks what some WD fans (and I believe Kirkman) used to argue early on--that all tech would have malfunctioned / crashed / exploded, etc., after only a year of no human service.
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I just looked through the Walking Dead wiki. They have a detailed timeline of events. According to their breakdown, the outbreak began in mid-2010, just before Rick was shot and the latest episode to air is set 12+ years after that. So, it's approximately 2022 give or take a year.
I just looked through the Walking Dead wiki. They have a detailed timeline of events. According to their breakdown, the outbreak began in mid-2010, just before Rick was shot and the latest episode to air is set 12+ years after that. So, it's approximately 2022 give or take a year.
The appeal for me, as someone who's only watched TWD and none of the spinoffs, was what Daryl and Carol brought to the show together. She basically keeps him on the right path (according to her own personal defitinion of it), and he is one of the factors that keeps her from slipping into seclusion and selfpity.
Daryl certainly does not seem like the kind of guy to go on epic adventures. At least not without either very strong motivating factors (a threat or loyalty) or a situation beyond his control. Perhaps he'll end up in Europe via the same powers that took Rick there?
That said, it could be interesting to see what the world beyond the US looks like. Different societies will have dealt (or failed to do so) in different ways with the zombie outbreak, and I wonder how ones with less readily-available fire arms would have handled themselves.
Still, I like Carol, and I would want to see her story be given a satisfying conclusion.
Daryl certainly does not seem like the kind of guy to go on epic adventures. At least not without either very strong motivating factors (a threat or loyalty) or a situation beyond his control. Perhaps he'll end up in Europe via the same powers that took Rick there?
That said, it could be interesting to see what the world beyond the US looks like. Different societies will have dealt (or failed to do so) in different ways with the zombie outbreak, and I wonder how ones with less readily-available fire arms would have handled themselves.
Still, I like Carol, and I would want to see her story be given a satisfying conclusion.
At this point (a decade plus since the ZA), nuclear reactors would have contaminated large areas around them, dams and other structures would have collapsed, and fuel would not be usable. Modern boats would not be usable (at least many of them). There are many things in the WD world that are pure fantasy beyond just having walkers around.
But GPS would not be easily accessible. GPS was not easily accessible in 2010. The first Ipad was not released until late that year. Ships might have had accessible GPS but it would still require sailing as fuel would not be available in 2022. And electronics would still require electricity. Software would require updates.
They established that during a period of time, Carol had spent some time on boats. I am not sure if that was a seed for a trip to Europe. I am sure McBride wasn't thinking that, so she wasn't planning on filming in Europe. But that could have been the thought in bringing Carol along for the ride.
I hope Carol finally settles down with Ezekiel. After all that, it would be a shame if either died.
Maybe we can handwave that technology appeared 5 years earlier. Fuel, theroteically COULD be made available, if refineries had some crude oil (which should last), and they periodically refned fuel in stragegic areas. Electricity -- that would be "easiest" to do (i.e.solar panels, for example)
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So what the heck is actually happening with the Rick movies? Is that actually happening? It feels like the Darryl series will be a dead end , as I would think they need to show the Rick movies first before Darrly finds him?
And since the COmmonwealth has a lot of the "old" positions... somebody has gotta call up Child and amily services for Judith and RJ! "our" team has been so poor with child raising
Final part of season 11 premieres October 2. Trailer:
Good, if real. TWD can no longer get people into the theater, so this would have flopped if released as originally intended.
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