The Walking Dead Season 5

[DarthTom]

Here is the filming location of the Alexandria Safezone.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...2!3m1!1s0x88f494d20e537db9:0x336ad364a4496b0e

That's awesome, thanks for sharing. They must have spent a fortune to rent that neighborhood out. i went on the Walking Dead tour - since i live here in GA and the tour guide who was involved with the show as an ongoing zombie said that they paid a small fortune to rent out herschel's farm house from the owners. This location must have have been even more expensive.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I'm not too sure about that. Sure, Lizzie was a threat and there's a shortage of psychiatrists in the zombie apocalypse, but Carol's first instinct was to blow her brains out. If that were the only way to take care of "problem" children, then why didn't Carol also "take care" of Carl (KOOORRRRAAALLLL!) when he was a problem?

Others have successfully pointed out the difference in the handling of Lizzie and Carl: one was a proven threat with no end to a warped belief system, the other bitter/defensive in the wake of deaths he either felt responsible for (Dale), or thought were caused by the lack of action on the part of his father (Andrew & the Governor)

Also, I'm aware that Rick is the only survivor now that knows about Carol's actions in the prison, but if I were him, I'd get a little antsy the first time seasonal allergies hit Alexandria, or else Carol's likely to take a blowtorch to the place.

Really? Then everyone should be antsy about Rick, now that he instinctively reached for his hidden gun when watching a husband walk off with his wife--the wife Rick is hot for.

Sound familiar? Being hot for a married woman... we know how that worked out for Shane once Rick returned...aiming guns at his "brother", murdering Randall as a set up to murder Rick, and "claim" Lori...

Rick already planted his own seeds of Shane-like behavior, so maybe Carol needs to watch him carefully, before the seeds grow into a mirror of the worst of Shane's acts.

 

[DarthTom]

^^^

The difference though is that Shane was in love with Lori even before the ZA. So Shane's obsession with her ran far deeper and for much longer - coupled with the fact that he was also in a physical relationship with her for appeared to be at least several weeks before Rick showed back up.

 

[hux]

I think it's a touch strong to say Rick is becoming a "truly creepy, disturbing and sinister, individual." He's on some level or other he's trying to connect and reconnect with society, somewhat here. He did hesitate a bit in reaching for the gun Carol offered, and he's connecting with blond-lady. He's still got a dark side and dark impulses but he's not all that sinister or anything of the sort.

Carol's gone of the rails with her little speech to the kid and doing her little cover-ops. Which isn't going to go unnoticed.

Rick and Carol both have alternative motives and certainly don't trust what is going on here but both are on very different paths.

I don't think Rick is far behind Carol. Carl and Judith might occasionally bring him back to Earth towards feelings of "right & wrong" but that's just temporary. He knows the the world is different now. There is no going back. Carol got there sooner and Rick didn't like it (banished) but since her return, he's realised she was right. There can be no place for sentiment or dreams of returning to civilisation

And I don't actually think either of them have gone off the rails to be honest. I think they've both just accepted that this new world requires a new way of being. Carol wasn't mad eyed, frothing at the mouth with the kid. She was calm, collected, articulate and concise. Just as Rick will be when he decides that Jessie shouldn't have a husband

 

[HighteeHeller]

^That was funny.

 

[Velocity]

Meanwhile Rick caresses a fence...

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

^^^

The difference though is that Shane was in love with Lori even before the ZA. So Shane's obsession with her ran far deeper and for much longer - coupled with the fact that he was also in a physical relationship with her for appeared to be at least several weeks before Rick showed back up.

Then, if we consider the timeline of Shane's interest, it makes Rick look worse, since he just met Jesse and already kissed the married woman, then reaches for his gun in the sidewalk scene.

 

[DarthTom]

Then, if we consider the timeline of Shane's interest, it makes Rick look worse, since he just met Jesse and already kissed the married woman, then reaches for his gun in the sidewalk scene.

I'm not going to give any comic spoilers but suffice to say, Rick reaching for his gun may be related to what he suspects is happening in this family - unrelated to lusting after her.

 

[Trekker4747]

Then, if we consider the timeline of Shane's interest, it makes Rick look worse, since he just met Jesse and already kissed the married woman, then reaches for his gun in the sidewalk scene.

I'm not going to give any comic spoilers but suffice to say, Rick reaching for his gun may be related to what he suspects is happening in this family - unrelated to lusting after her.

That's what my thoughts are. Rick wasn't thinking "gun that man down and get my woman!" he was thinking she was someone who may need protecting. During his tenure as a sheriff deputy in an Georgia town I suspect he's seen his fair-share of domestic situations.

 

[Silvercrest]

^^^

The difference though is that Shane was in love with Lori even before the ZA. So Shane's obsession with her ran far deeper and for much longer - coupled with the fact that he was also in a physical relationship with her for appeared to be at least several weeks before Rick showed back up.

Then, if we consider the timeline of Shane's interest, it makes Rick look worse, since he just met Jesse and already kissed the married woman, then reaches for his gun in the sidewalk scene.

Fortunately Dale saw him before anything happened.

Oh, wait.

 

[hux]

Question (this is going back a bit)

I'm watching the walking dead in the UK and I'm almost 100% certain that we did not see Andrea being bitten by Milton here. As I recall, just as Milton attacks they cut to another scene then later when Rick and co discover her, that's when we find out that she was bitten (at the same time as the characters)

But I've found pictures online and articles that suggest there was a scene where Milton literally did take a bite out of her

Is that right?

Was it edited for the UK or just by Sky ?

 

[Trekker4747]

In the US version, and on the DVD, we just see Andrea get free then the scene cuts to a pull-back of the door (IIRC) with sounds and screams of their fight and her getting bitten. It's possible the scene of her actually being bitten was filmed but cut out of the episode for time or just for effect.

 

[hux]

There's another forum I'm on and people seem pretty sure that Andrea getting bitten was definitely seen so I just assumed it was only in the US cos I definitely didn't see it

These pictures

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/04/0...le-deleted-scene-show-alternate-death-ending/

 

[Trekker4747]

I just watched the scene.

Andrea spends the entire episode trying to pick the damn pliers up off the floor. She finally gets them into her hands and starts trying to cut the cuffs off the chair she's in as Milton begins to growl and re-animate.

She gets one hand free as walker-Milton stands and begins shuffling towards Andrea. Andrea gets her other hand free just as walker-Milton opens his mouth and lunges towards her. Some quick cuts and editing but we never see a bite take place. Last we see is walker-Milton lunging towards the camera and then we cut to a pull-back from outside the room, looking at the door. There's sounds of a struggle, Andrea yells, the sound of tools dropping and then bodies falling.

That's it.

We don't find out Andrea's fate until later when Rick and co. make it into The Governor's holding area and they find a feverish, bitten, Andrea laying there.

Andrea (to Rick): "I know how the safety works."

Awww dammit. :sniff: I've got... I've got something in my eye again.

 

[Mojochi]

Then, if we consider the timeline of Shane's interest, it makes Rick look worse, since he just met Jesse and already kissed the married woman, then reaches for his gun in the sidewalk scene.

I'm not going to give any comic spoilers but suffice to say, Rick reaching for his gun may be related to what he suspects is happening in this family - unrelated to lusting after her.

That's what my thoughts are. Rick wasn't thinking "gun that man down and get my woman!" he was thinking she was someone who may need protecting. During his tenure as a sheriff deputy in an Georgia town I suspect he's seen his fair-share of domestic situations.

Thank you, because I'd been thinking kind of the same thing. He's the sheriff now, etc, & this whole town is going to his head to some degree, including being the law in it. I think for dramatic purposes, they purposely tried to make you second guess him more than is necessary, what with the oddball music backing & then his fascination with the walker on the other side of the wall, which can also be taken in another light, that of him knowing a walker is right there. (The same way Daryl can tell the difference between a person & walker by their gate) He's in arm's reach of a walker, that he can hear & spot, & there's nothing to fear or worry about. I took that final scene as Rick being somewhat power drunk, from apparent safety, & civilization, & being thrust back into his old life somewhat

Don't get me wrong though. He still has issues. He's still that dark SOB that shot down a man he blasted with a car, just for running away. Telling a dead man you just killed to shut up is not normal by any stretch, badass though it may have been

Likewise, I've heard some support thrown Carol's way after this week too, in so much as WTF was she supposed to do? This is the kind of thing that blows the lid off her gambit if she let's it go. Now you can ague that she probably shouldn't be playing this gambit, because it's underhanded, and that she's let trust issues lead her down the wrong path, etc...

Honestly though, just because she's had to put a child down before, (Under very specific & painful circumstances) doesn't suggest at all that she is in any way entertaining actually making good on her threat to that kid. She knew that was the only way to play that, without being exposed. She's doing the hard thing, because she saw no other choice. That's her philosophy now. Be the hard thing doer. It may have been all along. Why else would you take marital abuse to keep a family together for your daughter? It was the hard thing she had to do because she felt she had no choice.

That said, it is a bad precedent, in so much as when she inevitably slips up again or makes a misstep, & has to cover herself like this again, she's digging herself in deeper, & it's only a matter of time before that house of cards tumbles. I'm assuming sooner rather than later. Carol's bad habit is boxing herself into corners where it can get terribly sticky. I don't know that this one is ending well for her

 

[shapeshifter]

I've finally gotten over my dislike of this Alexandria detour.
I realized this is all a distraction meant to draw our guard down so, when it happens, the crap hitting the fan will be more of a surprise.

So I am going to sit back and soak it all in, even begin to believe this is the paradise they have been looking for all along.
Everything is just peachy.

 

[Trekker4747]

Of note: We'll likely be in Alexandria for quite sometime. This is a pretty huge mood and direction shift for the series if it's anything like the comics.

 

[Tom Hendricks]

What gets me is this, the towns people already shown a willingness to use eavesdropping to listen in on the group. Who says they aren't doing it inside the town as well.

 

[Reverend]

What gets me is this, the towns people already shown a willingness to use eavesdropping to listen in on the group. Who says they aren't doing it inside the town as well.

The whole point of eavesdropping on people on the outside is that you don't have to eavesdrop on them once they're inside.

That aside, they clearly don't have the manpower to monitor a dozen people at once.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Thank you, because I'd been thinking kind of the same thing. He's the sheriff now, etc, & this whole town is going to his head to some degree, including being the law in it.

You could argue that, if he was not watching the woman he's interested in. The two incidents (Rick kissing Jessie, and later reaching for the gun) were designed to suggest his action was not about being the protective sheriff again...though I could see him using that as a cover if he kills Jessie's husband.

If last week's Talking Dead preview is any clue, the tension/plotting between Pete and Rick will take a significant jump.

I think for dramatic purposes, they purposely tried to make you second guess him more than is necessary, what with the oddball music backing & then his fascination with the walker on the other side of the wall, which can also be taken in another light, that of him knowing a walker is right there. (The same way Daryl can tell the difference between a person & walker by their gate) He's in arm's reach of a walker, that he can hear & spot, & there's nothing to fear or worry about. I took that final scene as Rick being somewhat power drunk, from apparent safety, & civilization, & being thrust back into his old life somewhat

After the failure of the prison, Rick should be beyond thinking any new stronghold is safe. Whether the threats were external (the Governor) or internal (the disease), a seemingly normal, controlled environment can go to hell at any minute.

Don't get me wrong though. He still has issues. He's still that dark SOB that shot down a man he blasted with a car, just for running away. Telling a dead man you just killed to shut up is not normal by any stretch, badass though it may have been

Exactly--and remember his line to Lamson (echoing Gareth) "you can't go back, Bob" which means he's fully embraced brutality. Putting on a security outfit hardly turns him into the rick from season 1. He's predatory, and if Deanna knows anything at all (beyond her fake poker/mind reader act) is that Rick showing up completely in the ends justifies the means/dark mentality means something bad could erupt at any time.

Either she has plans for him to use his brutality, or will not survive her own plans when Rick faces off against the Wolves, et al.

Honestly though, just because she's had to put a child down before, (Under very specific & painful circumstances) doesn't suggest at all that she is in any way entertaining actually making good on her threat to that kid. She knew that was the only way to play that, without being exposed. She's doing the hard thing, because she saw no other choice. That's her philosophy now. Be the hard thing doer. It may have been all along. Why else would you take marital abuse to keep a family together for your daughter? It was the hard thing she had to do because she felt she had no choice.

Agreed. Carol is not a sadist, or the Governor, who kills as a means of absolute control under the lie of defense/survival. If Lizzie was not psychologically warped beyond help, Carol, Tyreese, Judith and the Samuels sisters would still be at the grove. Similarly, if her friends were not seconds away from being slaughtered for food, she would not have launched her deadly offensive at Terminus.

Carol only acts when necessary. She does not use death as the easy solution for her problems, so I do not see her keeping her threat to the kid.

That said, it is a bad precedent, in so much as when she inevitably slips up again or makes a misstep, & has to cover herself like this again, she's digging herself in deeper, & it's only a matter of time before that house of cards tumbles. I'm assuming sooner rather than later. Carol's bad habit is boxing herself into corners where it can get terribly sticky. I don't know that this one is ending well for her

I think Deanna will have other Rick group problems to worry about in the near future. Rick, Glenn and possibly Sasha (Deanna trying to pull the strings on her) could lead to a lot of bloodshed.