The Walking Dead Season 5
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I'm getting the sense that there's some underlying issues in paradise. Probably no different than any town without zombies running around.
I dunno, it seems like there's a lot of conflict brewing already. Jessie's husband, Deanna's son Aiden, that guy Daryl tackled. They're basically just an inept group that like other groups will probably be usurped by Rick's group.
One thing that kinda surprised me in the episode were Deanna's gender swap from the comics. I don't recall anyone else on the show so far that that's happened to, so I wonder what their reasoning was. I don't mind it except some prominent characteristics of Douglas (her comic counterpart) probably won't be able to be shown. However, I see a lot of things from the comics being glossed over. They were cramming a lot into this episode. A lot of characters are cut to make room for the characters that weren't there in the comics.
Another thing that I found curious was that Alexandria is pretty much completely white people.
I think my favorite parts were seeing how some of the characters reacted to the interviews. Carol's was awesome. Daryl was great too. I think how those people adapt will be the most interesting part.
Yeah, they don't exactly have a knack for subtlety.
i think they're just setting up the creepiness t reveal that the Alexandria group is actually legit...just inexperienced.
i'm not sure if they encountered the Wolves already... if one of the 3 who they exiled is now the leader of them.
But clearly something is going to happen to destroy the nice community. Unfortunately.
Minor detail for some-- but so far ALL of Alexandria is white.
i'm not sure if they encountered the Wolves already... if one of the 3 who they exiled is now the leader of them.
But clearly something is going to happen to destroy the nice community. Unfortunately.
Minor detail for some-- but so far ALL of Alexandria is white.
And I just realized what she was doing fumbling with her gun earlier. Along with her keeping up appearances comment, Carol is playing sly.
It's crazy how Carol has shaped up over time to be like the best character on the show.
Yeah, I was kinda wondering that. It seems obvious that they're doing a parallel with Richmond that they're doing for Alexandria. Chances are the Richmond inhabitants were just as clueless. I wonder if that girl (was it Enid?) may be a plant by the Wolves gang.
Yeah, I was kinda wondering that. It seems obvious that they're doing a parallel with Richmond that they're doing for Alexandria. Chances are the Richmond inhabitants were just as clueless. I wonder if that girl (was it Enid?) may be a plant by the Wolves gang.
Great episode. Great theme, loved the preview on Talking Dead of next week too, with Sasha out trying to stay sharp apparently. And I love that most of our characters are extremely wary of becoming weak.
The interviews were great too. Daryl was classic, rifling through the candy dish and just holding his possum. Carol's was amazing. Brilliant. But I didn't realize until Talking Dead that she did the gun thing on purpose too. Carl's was brutally honest.
My inclination after tonight is to trust these people. They seem to be good people with an honest society. But I think they know they need help. (Or at least Deanna knows it.)
We got two clues tonight. Clue #1 was Enid sneaking off into the woods, and doing so in a manner that she was even able to ditch Carl. Clue #2 was the gun missing from the blender. I think Rick's suspicion is that the Alexandria people took his gun, but I think the truth is that there is a group out there watching the Alexandrians and they took it.
Consider that after Carl lost track of Enid, he was apparently relatively close to where the gun disappeared from the blender. And look at Enid, she seems to be happy to sit there and do her own thing and not get super close with the other kids. And then when Carl asked her if she disliked him, she just walked away. She seems like she doesn't want to get too close to any of the other kids there, because she knows what's in store for them.
And on re-watch of the 11pm show, that was definitely Enid watching at the very beginning of the episode that Carl spotted in the burnt out house.
I think Deanna (and maybe Aaron and some other smart folks too) know that there are some evil forces out there and they need help and there is strength in numbers (and strength from strong survivors like Rick's group). It's even possible that the folks in Alexandria knew about the community in Richmond that Noah was from, and when they went for their latest visit and found the devastation, they thought they better look for help. Or maybe Aaron spotted the Wolves group (or some other nasty folks) one time when he was out scouting. Or maybe Deanna is just smart enough to know that they need help.
My hope is that Deanna isn't just recruiting Rick's group to be frontline cannon fodder in a fight against the Wolves. That would be disappointing.
But yeah, Enid is very suspicious. Sneaking off into the woods, and watching from outside the gate at the very beginning of the episode. She may literally be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
The interviews were great too. Daryl was classic, rifling through the candy dish and just holding his possum. Carol's was amazing. Brilliant. But I didn't realize until Talking Dead that she did the gun thing on purpose too. Carl's was brutally honest.
My inclination after tonight is to trust these people. They seem to be good people with an honest society. But I think they know they need help. (Or at least Deanna knows it.)
We got two clues tonight. Clue #1 was Enid sneaking off into the woods, and doing so in a manner that she was even able to ditch Carl. Clue #2 was the gun missing from the blender. I think Rick's suspicion is that the Alexandria people took his gun, but I think the truth is that there is a group out there watching the Alexandrians and they took it.
Consider that after Carl lost track of Enid, he was apparently relatively close to where the gun disappeared from the blender. And look at Enid, she seems to be happy to sit there and do her own thing and not get super close with the other kids. And then when Carl asked her if she disliked him, she just walked away. She seems like she doesn't want to get too close to any of the other kids there, because she knows what's in store for them.
And on re-watch of the 11pm show, that was definitely Enid watching at the very beginning of the episode that Carl spotted in the burnt out house.
I think Deanna (and maybe Aaron and some other smart folks too) know that there are some evil forces out there and they need help and there is strength in numbers (and strength from strong survivors like Rick's group). It's even possible that the folks in Alexandria knew about the community in Richmond that Noah was from, and when they went for their latest visit and found the devastation, they thought they better look for help. Or maybe Aaron spotted the Wolves group (or some other nasty folks) one time when he was out scouting. Or maybe Deanna is just smart enough to know that they need help.
My hope is that Deanna isn't just recruiting Rick's group to be frontline cannon fodder in a fight against the Wolves. That would be disappointing.
But yeah, Enid is very suspicious. Sneaking off into the woods, and watching from outside the gate at the very beginning of the episode. She may literally be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Deanna mentioned that the area had been evacuated. He probably hasn't dealt with many walkers given that he was using one as a pinata.
I do love that the group has become the most genre savvy group in any zombie form of media, to the point where they trust no one and suspect everything is a death trap.
They'd be stupid to try to oust Daryl. I get the impression that the unspoken truth about this community is that they have enemies. That's why everything has the ominous factor. It's not just that they all can't be trusted. They got problems on the horizon & need people like Rick's group, not just for cannon fodder, but for front line infantry, command leadership & general increased threat potential. Constable Rick will be General Rick in short order & none of these twerps in town will factor much in the show of strength. In fact, if this Congresswoman is on the level, then I suspect she's not long for this world at all
Rick's comment about taking the place, though seemingly course & predatory, actually makes sense. If the place has problems that would mean its downfall, or there's people there unable to rise to the challenge, or that can't be trusted, then that may be the very reason Deana brought Rick's group there to begin with, & handed him the keys
Make no bones about it. This is Rick's group now & that he said they'll take the place doesn't mean he plans to murder bunches of people. It means he expects it may be necessary for him & his people to take over, one way or the other
Rick's comment about taking the place, though seemingly course & predatory, actually makes sense. If the place has problems that would mean its downfall, or there's people there unable to rise to the challenge, or that can't be trusted, then that may be the very reason Deana brought Rick's group there to begin with, & handed him the keys
Make no bones about it. This is Rick's group now & that he said they'll take the place doesn't mean he plans to murder bunches of people. It means he expects it may be necessary for him & his people to take over, one way or the other
I'm hoping we just haven't met all of the community yet, because as it stands, there's not that many people, & frankly, I'm not as impressed with their walls as they seem to be. The prison seems like a much stronger fortress, & that didn't hold. That said, from a production end, this looks to be an invested location, like the prison was & Terminus wasn't. We're probably staying here a while. The crew are building whole houses in that neighborhood according to Talking DeadRyan8bit[/quote said:
I suspect that those who were exiled are out there causing some problems and may have even taken Rick's "J-Gun."
I don't think they are "The Wolves" I think they are likely to be our next group of big-bads.
I think Deanna may know that there's bigger threats out there and didn't bring Rick's group in so much as cannon fodder but to steel their pacified community. If Rick's group was being watched for a while the Deanna would know how skilled Rick's group is out there in the wilds and how they may be able help protect her people and make them more battle-ready. Why else would she make Rick their constable and appreciate Glenn putting her son in his place?
I don't think they are "The Wolves" I think they are likely to be our next group of big-bads.
I think Deanna may know that there's bigger threats out there and didn't bring Rick's group in so much as cannon fodder but to steel their pacified community. If Rick's group was being watched for a while the Deanna would know how skilled Rick's group is out there in the wilds and how they may be able help protect her people and make them more battle-ready. Why else would she make Rick their constable and appreciate Glenn putting her son in his place?
Carol's interview was priceless. She made herself sound like June Cleaver. It was epic. I wondered why she fumbled with the gun. I thought maybe her injuries were bothering her. Then came the interview. I about choked on soda when she called Ed a dear sweet man or something like that.
Daryl telling her she looked ridiculous had me rolling and she threatened to hose him down in his sleep if he did not shower. Ha!
I think Deanna knows they need Rick's group. Because if Aiden's competency level is any indication of their ability to take care of themselves, they are so screwed.
Daryl telling her she looked ridiculous had me rolling and she threatened to hose him down in his sleep if he did not shower. Ha!
I think Deanna knows they need Rick's group. Because if Aiden's competency level is any indication of their ability to take care of themselves, they are so screwed.
I liked this one, season is picking up from a slow start. Set the right tone of Rick's group and the new town feeling each other out, and both obviously holding things back. This group obviously hasn't seen a lot of action, and seems a little soft. Definitely think their leader sees that, and Rick's group seems to be the best they could find so far that's got the experience, but isn't so far gone that they can't live with it. Agree that they seem to be setting it up to basically hand Rick the keys. Gotta be that they've seen things happening around, and even if they don't have any personal experience with it, she knows they couldn't stand up to a real threat, so this is her way of adapting.
Didn't like the tone of Rick saying they'll take it, but the idea is right. They've got the numbers and the experience to make this work. If they can't make the current group stronger with training and help in the current structure, Rick's group will have to take over running the place, to keep both the town and Rick's group safe. From what we've seen, defendable enough of a place, if you've got the training and experience.
And Rick basically told her all of this in his interview, so not a shock to her if it happens.
Didn't like the tone of Rick saying they'll take it, but the idea is right. They've got the numbers and the experience to make this work. If they can't make the current group stronger with training and help in the current structure, Rick's group will have to take over running the place, to keep both the town and Rick's group safe. From what we've seen, defendable enough of a place, if you've got the training and experience.
And Rick basically told her all of this in his interview, so not a shock to her if it happens.
I really liked the episode. Didn't really get the, "sustainable neighborhood," thing. Are there any real life examples of this? I cannot find any real life examples.
Couldn't place the actress who played Deanna until I looked up this morning because she was so famliar. Tovah Feldshuh plays Deanna Monroe. She's better known to me as least as Jack McCoy's nemesis Danielle Melnick on Law and Order.
Rick is certainly channeling the Governor without the heads in fish tanks though with the ending statement.
Yea Carol was hilarious.
Couldn't place the actress who played Deanna until I looked up this morning because she was so famliar. Tovah Feldshuh plays Deanna Monroe. She's better known to me as least as Jack McCoy's nemesis Danielle Melnick on Law and Order.
Rick is certainly channeling the Governor without the heads in fish tanks though with the ending statement.
Yea Carol was hilarious.
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Regarding these two points, it got me to think about how past Rick probably wouldn't have said that about taking over the place if things go to hell. But that just goes to show how far Rick and Co. have gone. Woodbury pushed him to a limit, but Terminus was a real painful lesson about hope.
Also, with Aaron, Deanna, Rick, and Glenn all talking about the group in a pretty singular way, I'm starting to think of the gang like a hometown sports team -- you root and cheer and know they'll do better than the next team (and if Aiden is any indication...)
I don't mean to trivialize domestic abuse (nor do I think the show is trying), but I've read one review that argues that Carol is the perfect one to play up such a ruse, and I think that's pretty brilliant. Her past with Ed means that she knows how to hide her true feelings and scope out a situation, and that's on top of her already bad-ass survival skills. Plus, Ed would beat her for not being June Cleaver, so she has that in her arsenal.
I can't name examples off the top of my head, only to say that I've at least heard of the concept, especially in urban planning circles.
But I suppose there's also the possibility that it was only advertised as such, to lure upper middle-class/wealthy buyers.
I could be wrong. But I think they were exiled because they were kidnapping children and giving them to a corruptive group of people as food, to keep them from attacking the Alexandria safezone. But I don't think Enid doing same thing. But I do think she is stealing something for the same reason.
Great episode. I loved how strange and alien they managed to make such a clean and ordinary place feel, and how out of place and uncomfortable our people clearly were in it.
And as much as I miss the beard, I admit it was pretty cool to get a glimpse of Sheriff Rick from Season 1 again.
I know it's probably unlikely (and I'm trying to stay away from any comic spoilers), but personally I'm hoping for once that there ISN'T some nefarious or hidden "secret" to the place at all. And that the main problem is just what was hinted at in this episode-- that it's populated by a bunch of weak, soft, or just plain stupid people who eventually start to turn on the newcomers because they feel judged or intimidated or for some other petty reason. And so they decide they want them all thrown out... which of course leads to Rick taking the place over.
And as much as I miss the beard, I admit it was pretty cool to get a glimpse of Sheriff Rick from Season 1 again.
I know it's probably unlikely (and I'm trying to stay away from any comic spoilers), but personally I'm hoping for once that there ISN'T some nefarious or hidden "secret" to the place at all. And that the main problem is just what was hinted at in this episode-- that it's populated by a bunch of weak, soft, or just plain stupid people who eventually start to turn on the newcomers because they feel judged or intimidated or for some other petty reason. And so they decide they want them all thrown out... which of course leads to Rick taking the place over.
Like Terminus, the ASZ leader and chief supporters seem all too laid back and weak, and put the heroes through would-be probing questions. In the ZA world, no surviving group can appear to be suburb sheep, and actually have it be the real deal.
The teenage girl (I believe her name was Enid?) is clearly running off more something more important that a teenage break for privacy/freedom.
Then, there's the fool Glenn decked--his pent up anger and desire to be obeyed just seems like he's been made to feel like a badass waiting to happen by others beyond Deanna.
I'm betting the teenager running off is either to provide information to an enemy (guess who from the comics) for her own protection, or the overall group--probably the reason they have not been attacked by superior forces like Noah's people.
As for Daryl--he will be a bone of contention; he cannot be figured out, or made to be a joiner, so that's dangerous to the ASZ. Do not be surprised if the Talking Dead preview is more on point, and not just suggestion about Daryl....
Or, in a less controlling version of Dawn, attempt to assimilate others into her collective to build her own strength; it could be for reasons not yet expressed, like making a stand against the "wolves" or the comic villain you just know is inching his way into the TV version.
Carol was the standout of the episode. Once again, she proves why she's one of the most compelling characters in series history.
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