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The Walking Dead Season 5

You can like a series all you want, but I am far from the first person in Trek BBS' Walking Dead thread history to question character flaws, or plot devices that do not hold up to even mild scrutiny.

Give us character flaws you see in Carol.
 
Lobby for it? If one needs to lobby for rational, civilized behavior, then civilized behavior--morality no longer exists for the individual.

Yes, right, it no longer exists. The term "civilized behavior" implies a civilization, but civilization as we know it is either gone or on indefinite hiatus. What is considered moral or ethical behavior comes from a societal consensus, and those structures have gone out the window. For the moment, morals and ethics will be intra-group and based on what keep the group strong and allows it to survive. Other humans, outside the group, they're on their own.

Rick's powers as leader are not unlimited, of course. He has to keep the other members convinced that he is making decisions and following a course that improves their chances for survival. If he acts "crazier" than the overall feeling of the group, they may depose him, exile him, frag him etc.


I don't agree. Murder is not a squeaky clean business. It's all psychotic, if you ask me. Rick is going about it in the only way it he can handle it. You're trying to set degrees of slaughter and judge people if you think the degree is too far, and you're operating on your own standard. Rick's murdered people quickly & some not so quickly.

I don't think murder is the relevant term. Murder is defined by a legal framework, and even in the real world not every homicide is considered murder.

There's no need to make anymore for a couple of reasons: it is up to you if you want to believe the following, but a 2013 article in Wired magazine stated there are 10 billion bullets produced in the United States every year. Clearly, 10 billion are not all being used, hoarded or sold in or off-shore every year, so what becomes of such an astounding cache of ammunition when--as many WD fans believe--most of the human population is dead? If true--meaning humans were dying by the city-load from one area to another, initial survivors, roamers, Woodbury-sized groups, et al., did not raid and dig out the endless supply of bullets now just laying around creatures with no use for it. Moreover, I noticed no matter where the group ends up over the course of five season (two in-universe years), Rick will always find a fresh supply for his Colt Python.

True, but it becomes a cost/benefit call. If ammunition is hard to find, you have to send more/wider search parties to find it, which is dangerous. And if you have a beggars-can't-be-choosers variation of weapons, some people with less common calibers may have an issue finding new ammo.

As for the Python, Rick doesn't shoot it that much, I can still believe that he's husbanding his ammo.
 
Rick will always find a fresh supply for his Colt Python.

And Daryl will always plenty of arrow bolts and Michonne a perfectly sharp sword. Signature weapons are funny like that.
 
You can like a series all you want, but I am far from the first person in Trek BBS' Walking Dead thread history to question character flaws, or plot devices that do not hold up to even mild scrutiny.
Give us character flaws you see in Carol.

Sure. She is written as too defensive even in personal situations, when her level of trust among her family should be stronger post Ed.

This season, she claims she became the person she was supposed to be while at the prison, and yes, that kind of growth does not happen overnight, but her defensive posture still has her attempting to leave the reunited group, because she's too busy second-guessing a perception she's forecasting they will have of her regarding the deaths of the Samuels sisters.

Tyreese believes the rest will accept it; Daryl thinks she needs to stop trying to run away, but she does not. She's written as the "shamed" woman defensively avoiding people for reasons not yet explored with the rest. While one can say people struggle with their own conscience, most who know about Karen & David understand and/or forgave her (Daryl & Tyreese, respectively). Still, she's written as pushing herself away.

If this is not a set up for her to allow herself to feel accepted--or not needing to be defensive, only to be killed, then if she survives, the writers need the character to come clean, and remember her humanity is the cause of her decisions.

She's not Shane.

to be clear, I do not mean step over Lizzie like it was not an astoundingly tragic matter, but to stop setting up walls for no reason, otherwise, she could become dreary. Again, she's not Shane.

The Carol character's aforementioned humanity probably contributes to her defensiveness (of being judged for the wrong reasons), but if she's to stay above ground on TWD, the "shamed" woman sub-plot has to fade.
 
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Rick will always find a fresh supply for his Colt Python.
And Daryl will always plenty of arrow bolts and Michonne a perfectly sharp sword. Signature weapons are funny like that.

Hey, the lightsaber is a signature weapon, but if there's one good / realistic thing about the Star Wars prequels, it is that signature weapons for main characters (like Obi-Wan & Anakin) were lost, confiscated or destroyed. That adds extra risk that the characters will not always have that magic toy to rely on at the right time.
 
Rick will always find a fresh supply for his Colt Python.
And Daryl will always plenty of arrow bolts and Michonne a perfectly sharp sword. Signature weapons are funny like that.

Well, we do see Daryl retrieving his arrows. it isn't like Voyager runabouts.

True, but there's still been times he's shot an arrow he can't retrieve and there's going to be arrows that break and so forth, we only ever see a few in the "quiver" on the front of the bow.

We can argue that off-screen he's finding/getting more arrows from nearby stores when they raid or he carries some in sack that cannot be loaded into the arrow's quiver but, still, he's pretty much got infinite ammo in the thing.

I just watched the S2 finale the other night, the one with the herd going through the farm and had to laugh to myself when Herschel was shooting walkers with his shot gun. He keeps pumping it and firing and the fires stay pretty consistent even when Herschel isn't on camera. Either I severely underestimate how many cartridges a pump-action shotgun can hold or Herschel's gun was set to God Mode.
 
Retrieving them when he can is not the optimal method. I'd actually like to see Daryl crafting some arrows. That clearly is the greatest benefit of his weapon going unmentioned. The ammo is easier to make than bullets. He also seems like that's well within his wheelhouse. That would shut everybody up about that little glitch. Whittle hillbilly, whittle!
 
I just watched the S2 finale the other night, the one with the herd going through the farm and had to laugh to myself when Herschel was shooting walkers with his shot gun. He keeps pumping it and firing and the fires stay pretty consistent even when Herschel isn't on camera. Either I severely underestimate how many cartridges a pump-action shotgun can hold or Herschel's gun was set to God Mode.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P224BTri7RQ[/yt]
 
I just watched the S2 finale the other night, the one with the herd going through the farm and had to laugh to myself when Herschel was shooting walkers with his shot gun. He keeps pumping it and firing and the fires stay pretty consistent even when Herschel isn't on camera. Either I severely underestimate how many cartridges a pump-action shotgun can hold or Herschel's gun was set to God Mode.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P224BTri7RQ[/yt]
Haha! That sort of thing happens all the time in movies and TV, though. I remember a scene in one episode where Rick fired seven shots out of his six-shot revolver. :lol:
Retrieving them when he can is not the optimal method. I'd actually like to see Daryl crafting some arrows. That clearly is the greatest benefit of his weapon going unmentioned. The ammo is easier to make than bullets. He also seems like that's well within his wheelhouse. That would shut everybody up about that little glitch. Whittle hillbilly, whittle!
I'm pretty sure they showed Daryl making new bolts back in Season Two.
 
ws that break and so forth, we only ever see a few in the "quiver" on the front of the bow.

We can argue that off-screen he's finding/getting more arrows from nearby stores when they raid or he carries some in sack that cannot be loaded into the arrow's quiver but, still, he's pretty much got infinite ammo in the thing.

..and arrows are not as plentiful as bullets--certainly not in every sporting goods, retail or outdoor store (and with the exception of retailers like WalMart, the others are far and few between). But...Daryl never--ever--runs out of fresh arrows.

Hmm....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P224BTri7RQ
 
Eh, I suspect arrows are still fairly plentiful. True, not as much as bullets, but can be gotten pretty easily in a sporting-goods, outdoors or hunting stores. And, again, the ammo is largely recoverable and when push comes to shove it's possible to craft your own arrows. Not so easy to craft your own bullets.

But, again, not impossible if you're able to acquire the metals needed for the bullets, form molds, acquire/craft spent shells and acquire/mix your own gun-powder and then make the bullets.

Not impossible but a hell of a lot more work and a hell of a lot tougher than just making a new arrow.
 
Eh, I suspect arrows are still fairly plentiful. True, not as much as bullets, but can be gotten pretty easily in a sporting-goods, outdoors or hunting stores. And, again, the ammo is largely recoverable and when push comes to shove it's possible to craft your own arrows. Not so easy to craft your own bullets.

But, again, not impossible if you're able to acquire the metals needed for the bullets, form molds, acquire/craft spent shells and acquire/mix your own gun-powder and then make the bullets.

Not impossible but a hell of a lot more work and a hell of a lot tougher than just making a new arrow.

I bet Eugene is smart enough to craft bullets if he could find the necessary materials.
 
I bet Eugene is smart enough to craft bullets if he could find the necessary materials.

I'm hoping you said that sarcastically. I really don't get why people think Eugene is some kind of genius? Tehcno babble talk does not equate into intelligence.
 
I'm hoping you said that sarcastically. I really don't get why people think Eugene is some kind of genius? Tehcno babble talk does not equate into intelligence.

Because in "Self Help," Rosita confirmed that he's intelligent and resourceful--based on her experiences with him. His only fraudulent issue is the claim of a cure for the ZA.
 
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