The Walking Dead Season 5

[Trekker4747]

Computers do not communicate directly with satellites they connect with ground towers/stations and THOSE communicate with satellites. The laptop talks to the satellites through a proxy.

Obviously any ground stations are inactive due to being without power for almost two years.

Even if the computer could/can connect with satellites, satellites requite occasional data and instructions from ground sites in order to ensure that the satellites are staying in the proper position, not to mention staying on the same time as us as their altitude starts to make gravitational time-dilation something of a factor.

Without being maintained from the ground the satellite network would quickly become out of alignment with ground stations and be of little use.

The group's been in this situation for almost two years now and has encountered groups from other areas, not to mention what they learned from Jenner at the CDC. It's probably pretty clear to them that the world is over so using a computer to try and to communicate with a computer network hundreds of miles away would be pointless.

 

[DarthTom]

Computers do not communicate directly with satellites they connect with ground towers/stations and THOSE communicate with satellites. The laptop talks to the satellites through a proxy.

Obviously any ground stations are inactive due to being without power for almost two years.

Even if the computer could/can connect with satellites, satellites requite occasional data and instructions from ground sites in order to ensure that the satellites are staying in the proper position, not to mention staying on the same time as us as their altitude starts to make gravitational time-dilation something of a factor.

Without being maintained from the ground the satellite network would quickly become out of alignment with ground stations and be of little use.

The group's been in this situation for almost two years now and has encountered groups from other areas, not to mention what they learned from Jenner at the CDC. It's probably pretty clear to them that the world is over so using a computer to try and to communicate with a computer network hundreds of miles away would be pointless.

It's hard to believe though that military facilities - extremely secure military facilities like NORAD which is hundreds of feet underground in CO buried in a mountain would be knocked out of operation because of the ZA?

Don't facilities like NORAD maintain at least military satellites and emergency responder channels? Theoretically the people / officers that still are there could be still operating some type of operations.

 

[Trekker4747]

Computers do not communicate directly with satellites they connect with ground towers/stations and THOSE communicate with satellites. The laptop talks to the satellites through a proxy.

Obviously any ground stations are inactive due to being without power for almost two years.

Even if the computer could/can connect with satellites, satellites requite occasional data and instructions from ground sites in order to ensure that the satellites are staying in the proper position, not to mention staying on the same time as us as their altitude starts to make gravitational time-dilation something of a factor.

Without being maintained from the ground the satellite network would quickly become out of alignment with ground stations and be of little use.

The group's been in this situation for almost two years now and has encountered groups from other areas, not to mention what they learned from Jenner at the CDC. It's probably pretty clear to them that the world is over so using a computer to try and to communicate with a computer network hundreds of miles away would be pointless.

It's hard to believe though that military facilities - extremely secure military facilities like NORAD which is hundreds of feet underground in CO buried in a mountain would be knocked out of operation because of the ZA?

Don't facilities like NORAD maintain at least military satellites and emergency responder channels? Theoretically the people / officers that still are there could be still operating some type of operations.

It's possible but there's still variables when it comes to power and food resources not to mention how long it took the "everyone turns" think to sink in before it became too late, not to mention how to kill the walkers.

Many characters we've seem having to be told only a head-shot stops them or that everyone turns and even Herschel, in spite of all of the evidence of a rotting, decomposing, corpse right in front of him with unhealed wounds, had to be told these things are DEAD.

Whatever happened in the very early days happened very, very fast. And any military groups still out there isn't enough to retake areas or to make an impact on what is going on. Especially when dealing with overwhelming walker herds which can devastate an are just by sheer numbers.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Computers do not communicate directly with satellites they connect with ground towers/stations and THOSE communicate with satellites. The laptop talks to the satellites through a proxy.

Obviously any ground stations are inactive due to being without power for almost two years.

Even if the computer could/can connect with satellites, satellites requite occasional data and instructions from ground sites in order to ensure that the satellites are staying in the proper position, not to mention staying on the same time as us as their altitude starts to make gravitational time-dilation something of a factor.

Without being maintained from the ground the satellite network would quickly become out of alignment with ground stations and be of little use.

The group's been in this situation for almost two years now and has encountered groups from other areas, not to mention what they learned from Jenner at the CDC. It's probably pretty clear to them that the world is over so using a computer to try and to communicate with a computer network hundreds of miles away would be pointless.

It's hard to believe though that military facilities - extremely secure military facilities like NORAD which is hundreds of feet underground in CO buried in a mountain would be knocked out of operation because of the ZA?

Don't facilities like NORAD maintain at least military satellites and emergency responder channels? Theoretically the people / officers that still are there could be still operating some type of operations.

I was thinking something similar, because if not, wouldn't America be a radioactive waste land unless someone was maintaining the nuclear power plants, preventing meltdowns, and don't the nukes in the silos need to be constantly maintained to keep from launching?

 

[bbjeg]

It's hard to believe though that military facilities - extremely secure military facilities like NORAD which is hundreds of feet underground in CO buried in a mountain would be knocked out of operation because of the ZA?

Don't facilities like NORAD maintain at least military satellites and emergency responder channels? Theoretically the people / officers that still are there could be still operating some type of operations.

Underground or not, if they're infected, they have the potential to die, turn, and kill those around them. It feels like the majority of people, no matter where they are, aren't safe.

Personally, I'd head north to a snowier climate because the zombies would freeze and there's a possibility that the virus can't survive in the cold.

 

[Trekker4747]

I was thinking something similar, because if not, wouldn't America be a radioactive waste land unless someone was maintaining the nuclear power plants, preventing meltdowns, and don't the nukes in the silos need to be constantly maintained to keep from launching?

I'm pretty sure the nukes in silos aren't in a "keep us maintained or we launch!" position. But they'd need to be maintained likely to prevent the leaking of radioactive materials. Meltingdown power plants would release radiation into the immediate area and widns and so forth would spread around the area and for all we know that has happened but it wouldn't impact 100% of the world making it 100% lethal.

It may also be possible the nuclear power plants were safely depowered either by those operating the facilities in the final days or by design. (Many modern nuclear power plants are relatively safe.)

But these are also things all apocalypse fiction forgets about. (Need we bring up the gas thing again?

Regardless if it makes sense that the world would be in this state and what would happen if so much of society disappeared , was killed off or stopped doing it's job the premise of the show is that that has happened.

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I was thinking something similar, because if not, wouldn't America be a radioactive waste land unless someone was maintaining the nuclear power plants, preventing meltdowns, and don't the nukes in the silos need to be constantly maintained to keep from launching?

Nah, they're just using The 100 logic where all the survivors are magically immune to radiation.

 

[Mojochi]

I watched the episode twice last night, and Dawn clearly has her gun holstered when Beth walks up to her. So it would appear that in the space between Beth squaring up to her and saying "I get it now...", and then stabbing her, Dawn for some reason took her gun out and raised it to enough of a height for it to go off in Beth's face.

Doesn't quite make sense.

Yeah, I thought about that too. Basically they made it look like while she's simultaneously getting stabbed, she instinctively grabbed out her pistol from her hip holster & rapid fired a direct shot into Beth's head, at a greater than 45 degree upward angle. 1st, Nobody has reflexes like that,

2nd, Rick's palm had been cowboy straddling the butt of his pistol (As he's apt to do) ever since he turned back around to address Dawn. Does he really not see her pistol come out? Seriously. Who's not watching for people pulling pistols in this room right now?

& let's not forget Beth has been stabbing human targets for over a year now. That's all they do on TWD. It's job #1. How does she miss the throat with that stab, & land her strike around the clavicle for god sake?

W E A K

 

[Aragorn]

You know what this show did? They Trip Tuckered Beth. They wanted to kill her for the sake of killing her, but couldn't come up with a good reason why or a good way to do it, so it just sort of happened.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yeah, I thought about that too. Basically they made it look like while she's simultaneously getting stabbed, she instinctively grabbed out her pistol from her hip holster & rapid fired a direct shot into Beth's head, at a greater than 45 degree upward angle. 1st, Nobody has reflexes like that

I thought the same. As seen in the screen capture provided by Servo, her hand was not on her gun at all. Beth was already in her last (living) position in front of her--Dawn did not see the need to reach for her gun.

2nd, Rick's palm had been cowboy straddling the butt of his pistol (As he's apt to do) ever since he turned back around to address Dawn. Does he really not see her pistol come out? Seriously. Who's not watching for people pulling pistols in this room right now?

Excellent point. Take a look at Rick's suspicion & preparation in season two's "Nebraska," where Rick--sensing impending danger--drew and shot Dave & Tony in the blink of an eye.

After learning about the situation at Grady from Noah, the adversarial behavior of the cops taken prisoner, and how untrustworthy Dawn was, he should have been watching her every move, and expected to shoot at a moment's notice.

I know some might say he was almost bottle-necked in that hallway, which--if a shootout erupted--could lead to many of his own wounded or killed, but in that second of Beth's act, Rick could have shot, and considering the newly freed cops' reaction, the violence would have ended there.

& let's not forget Beth has been stabbing human targets for over a year now. That's all they do on TWD. It's job #1. How does she miss the throat with that stab, & land her strike around the clavicle for god sake?

W E A K

I have to agree. Gale Anne Hurd recently said (paraphrasing) Beth was--essentially--sacrificing herself, in that her line, "I get it" meant she understood the way the world is, so she attacked as a show that she was prepared to do what was necessary. Okay, that's fine, but as you point out, she was adept at head stabbing unrelenting walkers for more than a year, so with that skill, & in the same instant, if her blade found its mark in the stationary Dawn's head, there would be no moment allowing Dawn's reaction to touch the gun.

The producers were so hell bent on another mid-season tragedy, that they pulled a death that does not hold up to any scrutiny at all, because it is clear they needed Beth to inexplicably NOT go for the kill shot, giving Dawn the seconds required to shoot.

This is a problem with TWD character deaths: I can buy Hershel's death--he was on his knees, a tied up sitting duck for the sword strike.

Merle was wounded, beaten, and had no defense for the Governor's shot.

Shane's fatal wound was so quick, he could not protect himself, but TWD has set up too many questionable shock deaths in its five seasons. We're already discussing Beth's but Dale just falling over from a notably emaciated walker (with NO matching strength of a healthy, live person) and being gutted--as if his skin and muscle was as weak as a Ziplock bag--was utterly unbelievable.

Andrea spent so much time exchanging completely unnecessary dialogue with Milton, that she wasted precious seconds she could have used to free herself. Take away the talk, and she would have been free to face Milton just as he was rising as a walker.

Meghan just allowed to play in the mud, as if any open field is safe? That camp was not walled off, so for Lilly to think Meghan was safe was writing to make her conveniently stupid--just for the shack attack/mortal wound.

W E A K is right. just wonder if the promise of tragedy in 5B will be more of the same--another shock death just to prove how "grim" the series can be?

 

[Tom Hendricks]

I put on my holster yesterday and tried to see how fast I could draw my gun and get it into the same angle Dawn had to shoot Beth the way she did. I could come no where close in time or ease of angle.

 

[J.T.B.]

[...] and don't the nukes in the silos need to be constantly maintained to keep from launching?

Wow, that would be scary! But no, there are a number of safety steps that need to be accomplished to launch nuclear missiles, and they need periodic maintenance so they would get less dangerous with inattention, not more.

Yeah, I thought about that too. Basically they made it look like while she's simultaneously getting stabbed, she instinctively grabbed out her pistol from her hip holster & rapid fired a direct shot into Beth's head, at a greater than 45 degree upward angle. 1st, Nobody has reflexes like that,

Nor would anyone want a bullet, etc. flying upward in the region of their own head. Much quicker, easier and more practical to fire into the body right after clearing the holster. Not as much shock value to that kind of wound, though. The whole exchange sequence seemed contrived. Why do it in the hospital instead of some more open, more neutral place?

 

[DarthTom]

Why do it in the hospital instead of some more open, more neutral place?

This part is at least explainable. In an earlier episode we see Walkers circling the hospital even at the hospital main floor doors. So the floor they were staying on was in accessible to the Walkers thus safe for living to interact without interference.

 

[Silvercrest]

Walker tactics, yes. Human tactics, no. When they pushed open that door just before the final meeting, I was screaming, "How can you do that?? There could be a boobytrap or a flash-bang or an ambush right on the other side of the door!!!!"

 

[DarthTom]

Walker tactics, yes. Human tactics, no. When they pushed open that door just before the final meeting, I was screaming, "How can you do that?? There could be a boobytrap or a flash-bang or an ambush right on the other side of the door!!!!"

Why would they do that? They would risk harming their own officers before the prisoner exchange.

 

[J.T.B.]

This part is at least explainable. In an earlier episode we see Walkers circling the hospital even at the hospital main floor doors. So the floor they were staying on was in accessible to the Walkers thus safe for living to interact without interference.

True, but the police drive in and out of the hospital grounds regularly. The group found a large, un-infested warehouse to hole up in, apparently not too far from the hospital. The police probably know of similar places. Why not just negotiate to meet at an address suitable to both sides? The narrow hospital hallway just seemed to scream "trap."

 

[DarthTom]

The group found a large, un-infested warehouse to hole up in, apparently not too far from the hospital. The police probably know of similar places. Why not just negotiate to meet at an address suitable to both sides? The narrow hospital hallway just seemed to scream "trap."

True. Another thing to remember is that Carol was pratically immobile at that point as well - moving her may have been impractical. Her magical re-awakening at exactly the right time was more plot problematic - at least for me - than where they met for the prisoner exchange. Also, the viewer is left to believe that all of this was worked out in advance via radio communication.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Why do it in the hospital instead of some more open, more neutral place?

This part is at least explainable. In an earlier episode we see Walkers circling the hospital even at the hospital main floor doors. So the floor they were staying on was in accessible to the Walkers thus safe for living to interact without interference.

With the exception of a couple of walkers, the area where the fire truck arrived was open and clear enough for the prisoner exchange. With that much space, Both sides would not be so close, and even if Dawn still delivered the line that angered Beth, she would be on the other side of the lot, which would make approaching impractical, as it would have set off alarms long before she crossed halfway, and Rick and/or Daryl would have prevented her from approaching Dawn.

Again, it seems the hallway was selected to force close, fatal contact, when anyone truly fearing for their safety (in a hostage situation, no less) would prefer open spaces.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

By the way, what happened to Carl & Judith? We assume Eugene was still hurt & in the fire truck, but everyone else was in the lot in the final scene (city as backdrop).

Carl was very fond of Beth, and his reaction will be interesting to explore.

 

[Trekker4747]

By the way, what happened to Carl & Judith? We assume Eugene was still hurt & in the fire truck, but everyone else was in the lot in the final scene (city as backdrop).

Carl was very fond of Beth, and his reaction will be interesting to explore.

I assume they were just in the truck and nothing more than that.

And saying Carl was "very fond of Beth" may be over-stating things. She made his pants feel funny and that's about the extent of his interest in her.