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Spoilers The Walking Dead Season 10

Zenogias said:
OG Walking Dead Fan here, been watching since Season 1 first aired.

I think Season 10 is the best season since Glenn got the broad side of Neegan's bat, but I am simply baffled by the fan response to the mid-season finale. It's overwhelmingly positive, and the host of the Talking Dead podcast even called it out as being one of the best episodes of all time.. Yet I believe it to be one of the worst episodes of season 10.
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A mid-season finale's success comes in many forms: it can be the tragic culmination of a character's run (e.g. Sophia, Hershel and Beth), or it can promise bigger things to come, such as season 3, where Daryl was captured by The Governor / reunited with Merle, but you knew this was just the spark to set off a war to come. In season 10's case, Michonne leaving for the island, and what this potentially means was one of the stronger sub-plots in the episode, as one the one hand, Michonne thinks she will find what they need to eliminate the Whisperers, but it is assumed this trip will lead to her reunion with Rick.
Next, now that Dante and the Whisperer plot is exposed, one can believe ASZ and Hilltop will be preparing for an attack, but how effective will they be with some of their best fighters now captives of the Whisperers?


The show implies Michone allows the boat thief to go because of Rick's old quote "My Mercy prevails over my wrath", yet didn't Rick murder half of alexandria and take it over like dictator from the middle-east?
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As The Wormhole pointed out, Rick only killed one person--as requested by Deanna. Many notable deaths were due to:
  • Incompetence: Deanna's son Aiden shot a walker with a grenade strapped to it, causing an explosion which caused Aiden to be impaled on a metal rod.
  • Unintentional death: Pete slashing Reg's throat.
  • Fear: Sam freaking out while trying to navigate through the walker horde.
  • Anguish: Jesse refusing to let go of Sam while he was being devoured, so the same happens to her.
  • Revenge: Ron tried to shoot Rick, but was killed by Michonne.
  • Cowardice: Nicholas, who could not handle the world any longer and committed suicide. Oh, and he was responsible for Noah's death.
  • Walker bite: Carter, who plotted to overthrow Rick, but ended up bitten and put down by Rick.(
  • Walker bite: Deanna, while trying to defend the community.
Rick was certainly controlling and plotted to take over, but the early Alexandria arc was one of his less lethal periods.

Second, how is it somebody who was betrayed and nearly murdered as many times as Daryl would simply take a Whisperer's word for something and walk straight into a trap, without any contingency? This is inexcusable naivety, and as the new "leader" of the group it seemed to be a very odd writing choice. Perhaps this is to make Rick look better leading up to his movies, but I doubt it.. I think it's just bad writing.
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Remember, early on he was the one questioning how trustworthy Gamma was, and still doubted her even as Aaron continued to vouch for her.

I can see Carol following her, it makes sense, but the rest of them just blindly run in after her?
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They were not going to let her run in there alone, knowing Alpha probably set a trap / has a desire to kill Carol.
 
Regarding the ratngs... i think they are significant...because that will show how much AMC will want to expand the franchise -- or decide to wrap some thing up. My understanding is that the Commonwealth could be a final arc...and the ratings would be a reason (internally) to choose to make a final season.

The success, or lack thereof, of the Rick movies, might be what determines how much more new TWD stuff we will see.

I think the final Siddiq episode showed how great they CAN be...the question is...will it be sustainable? (Cretaively and ratings wise)
 
The current viewship is pretty significant. Keep in mind that the numbers a few years ago were absolutely astounding. It was the highest rated scripted drama in all of television IIRC--so yes, there has been a huge drop but the show is still doing well.

As for how long the show will last, I am predicting that it will end when it runs through the source material, which means it would have another two to four years depending how fast they pace themselves. This first half of the season ran through a lot of source material but I don't think that the second half will take the comics story much further setting up a big storyline for next season.
 
At the very least it's nice to see that fans of this show can still be passionate about it.
I've got a thick skin and no insult taken.
I just thought is was a bad episode of a good show.

Since this is a Star Trek BBS I'll site the examples of Spock's Brain and Masks to show how that can happen.
 
There are rumours circulating that a decision has already been made to end the show with its twelfth season. If true, this gives us another two years, and that ought to be enough to tackle the Commonwealth and the comic's finale.

IMO, Fear is the only show in this franchise which has anything to, well, fear as far as ratings go. I suspect if their coming season doesn't see any kind of turnaround certain decisions are going to be made.
 
The Wormhole said:
There are rumours circulating that a decision has already been made to end the show with its twelfth season. If true, this gives us another two years, and that ought to be enough to tackle the Commonwealth and the comic's finale.

IMO, Fear is the only show in this franchise which has anything to, well, fear as far as ratings go. I suspect if their coming season doesn't see any kind of turnaround certain decisions are going to be made.
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That's where ending the main show soon is the only negative - there are some characters from Fear that I'd love to see with the main cast.

Also, I believe they said they will not be using anything from the comic's ending.
 
theenglish said:
The current viewship is pretty significant. Keep in mind that the numbers a few years ago were absolutely astounding. It was the highest rated scripted drama in all of television IIRC--so yes, there has been a huge drop but the show is still doing well.
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Its sort of ridiculous for anyone (not meaning you) to go on and on about ratings, since no series in TV history maintained its highest ratings all along, no matter the genre or its impact, and that includes such vaulted series as All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Dallas, ER, etc. That's the course of most TV series (unless they were low rated from the start and never really reached desired heights). The Walking Dead is no different, and its ratings drop is no indication of disaster, particularly when its ratings are a Mount Everest compared to the little gravel hills that are so many series, including most fantasy programs.

Whenever it ends, it will not be due to ratings, but the story reaching its natural conclusion.
 
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TREK_GOD_1 said:
Its sort of ridiculous for anyone (not meaning you) to go on and on about ratings, since no series in TV history maintained its highest ratings all along, no matter the genre or its impact, and that includes such vaulted series as All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Dallas, ER, etc. That's the course of most TV series (unless they were low rated from the start and never really reached desired heights). The Walking Dead is no different, and its ratings drop is no indication of disaster, particularly when its ratings are a Mount Everest compared to the little gravel hills that are so many series, including most fantasy programs.

Whenever it ends, it will jot be due to ratings, but the story reaching its natural conclusion.
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It's been well documented that the ratings drop between s07e01 and s07e02 was historically large, and the rate of decay after that has also exceeded any expectations set by historical precedent. And as memory serves, you didn't even know that Walking Dead and Game of Thrones were the two most popular genre shows in decades until seeing it in one of my supposed "hater" ratings posts.
 
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crookeddy said:
It's been well documented that the ratings drop between s07e01 and s07e02 was historically large, and the rate of decay after that has also exceeded any expectations set by historical precedent. And as memory serves, you didn't even know that Walking Dead and Game of Thrones were the two most popular genre shows in decades until seeing it in one of my supposed "hater" ratings posts.
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..is not addressing a historical fact about no series maintained its highest ratings all along, no matter the genre or its impact, which includes series as All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Dallas, ER, etc.

That is the point. A ratings drop over a series' lifetime is not only normal, but expected, yet its not a sign of disaster in TWD's case, since its not going anywhere soon, there are no cancellation hints from AMC, and it has one running spin-off returning (FTWD), Rick movies and another spin-off on the way. Money is being spent for a reason, even in a period where some might claim TWD is on the downslide.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
..is not addressing a historical fact about no series maintained its highest ratings all along, no matter the genre or its impact, which includes series as All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Dallas, ER, etc.

That is the point. A ratings drop over a series' lifetime is not only normal, but expected, yet its not a sign of disaster in TWD's case, since its not going anywhere soon, there are no cancellation hints from AMC, and it has one running spin-off returning (FTWD), Rick movies and another spin-off on the way. Money is being spent for a reason, even in a period where some might claim TWD is on the downslide.
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You're seemingly completely incapable of understanding what's being explained over and over so I'll have to stop trying.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Its sort of ridiculous for anyone (not meaning you) to go on and on about ratings, since no series in TV history maintained its highest ratings all along, no matter the genre or its impact, and that includes such vaulted series as All in the Family, The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Dallas, ER, etc. That's the course of most TV series (unless they were low rated from the start and never really reached desired heights). The Walking Dead is no different, and its ratings drop is no indication of disaster, particularly when its ratings are a Mount Everest compared to the little gravel hills that are so many series, including most fantasy programs.

Whenever it ends, it will not be due to ratings, but the story reaching its natural conclusion.
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Didn't think this would apply to me at all. You've said what I was thinking with some pretty good examples. I remember being absolutely incredulous back when this show was a ratings juggernaut. I couldn't believe what I was seeing from week to week--especially for a show based on a comic book from a publisher that was not Marvel or DC. It was pretty cool that I comic I loved was being embraced by so many people. My hope for this show is that it ends with quality, and after this past season I have hope that we will see a pretty decent end in the not too decent future.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Good, because the constant beating on the "low ratings" drum about a series that continues to outperform every other fantasy show on TV, and still generate new spinoffs is meaningless.
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Well, 3 spin-offs...

One is Fear, which needed to get rid of its original cast, and even pumped in two TWD characters to bump up ratings...which it did for a spell, but still is dropping.

I don't hear a lot of positive buzz for the new show. Other than a connection with the mystery helicopter group, it doesn't feel "necessary", especially as they are focusing on the younger crowd.

The movies ...we will have to see. If the first does well, then we will get 2 others, which may end the story of Rick. But probably won't expand the TWD world to create new shows or movies.


If it is as successful as Inhumans… well, that might spell the end of the franchise.

TWD isn't as open to growth as the MCU or DC TV
 
I think they are smart to plan an ending. That way they can drop plot points along the way for the big finale. I think it is so much better for a show to go out with a plan to wrap up the story instead of just getting killed off with no closure. (I'm looking at you Stargate: Universe)

I have purposely not read any of the comics so I have no idea what the Commonwealth is or how they play into the story of the survivors we know.

Ratings seem to be a big talking point so here is my take. Who gives a shit.
The show has made a zillion dollars for AMC and they will support it as long as it makes money for them regardless of ratings.

How many crappy "reality" shows are out there that have decent ratings? Too many for me. Just because a lot of people like something does not make it a good product.
(I'm looking at you crocs)
 
The thing about ratings is that we are in an era where they are taking on less and less relevance. Due to streaming, on-demand, and DVRs very few people actually watch their shows on broadcast night anymore. Indeed, AMC actually offers new Walking Dead episodes on their streaming service 48 hours before they air, which is likely a factor in why the Sunday night numbers tend to be so low here lately. Granted, there are still too many decisions being made in the TV industry based on broadcast night ratings, but I get the impression that AMC at least is taking a broader look at the bigger picture and realizing Walking Dead is still a very popular show, more so than the Sunday night numbers would indicate anyway.
 
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