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The Venus Project: a dream given form.

Just because I'm sure that Man will never be able to move planets around the solar system the way we can move billiard balls around on a table doesn't mean I'm omnicient. Like you said, some of this just takes a leap of faith.

Wow. Look how far we've come in the last 100 - 200 years with technology. How far will we be in another 100 years? 1,000 years? 10,000 years? 100,000 years? 1,000,000 Years? 1,000,000,000 years?

You honestly telling me we won't develop planet moving technology? do you believe we'll never develop anti-gravity?
I believe once we've learnt how to manipulate gravity the future possibility's are endless.
 
You honestly telling me we won't develop planet moving technology?
Yes, I honestly believe we won't be moving planets around the solar system.

do you believe we'll never develop anti-gravity?
I don't know, but nullifying the gravity of a dime isn't the same thing as nullifying the gravity of a planet, so it will take more than anti-gravity to do what you imagine. I actually hope we don't ever develop anti-gravity as you apparently imagine it, because it would be a destructive force of almost unimaginable power in the wrong hands.

I believe once we've learnt how to manipulate gravity the future possibility's are endless.
I thought this forum was about the discussion of real science. Are we just going to speculate about what humans could do if we had 'magical' powers?

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Well, theorizing is a major part of real science. You have to imagine it before you can do it.

Besides, my OP was about what would happen if you could do such a thing. Not if such a thing could be done. If your not interested in pursuing that line of thought, please leave the thread.
 
Well, theorizing is a major part of real science. You have to imagine it before you can do it.
That's not entirely true. Lots of things have been discovered through serendipity.

Besides, my OP was about what would happen if you could do such a thing. Not if such a thing could be done. If your not interested in pursuing that line of thought, please leave the thread.
OK, I'll play.

We crash Europa into Venus, and turn it into a clone of Earth. It's a paradise. Everyone wants a piece of it. WWIII breaks out over who gets what. Civilization is destroyed. The few people who made it to Venus before the apocalypse begin a new civilization, though one without fossil fuels and so it stagnates in a pre-industrial state...

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I think what would be more interesting if we had the ability to move planets would be to move Venus into Earth's orbit at the opposite side of the sun, put it into an equal speed to that of Earth and an equal spin. Once that's done then go about slamming things into it.
But personally I feel we could terraform Venus using the method I put forward long before that could be possible. I honestly believe the technology to do my proposal will be available by the middle of this century, but unless the economics of the planet alters greatly it will take a lot longer to start it all off.
 
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Crap!

This is confusing - I just relaized that there are two different threads on the *same* topic!!!

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=76728&page=3

The other thread is 3 months old, you've just resurrected it. This thread is the one that is the latest and which was made only last week.
I linked to the other one in the first page of this thread as a reference only to my idea for terraforming.

*doh* My mistake...sorry...my bad...it was in one of my browser tabs - I must have followed your link then forgot I did that somehow... :cardie:

I tell ya man, that meth's a hell of a drug.

Anyway, I quess I'll just repost my comments here:


I wonder if Venus is terraformed by TNG's time? ENT showed us the begining of a Mars terriforming effort that with Trek's technology could be finsihed by TOS' time, certainly by TNG's - and "First Contact" hinted at the Moon possibly being terriformed (though we never saw evidence for it onscreen.) And they terriform other planets around other stars quite regularily, so certainly they have the technology in Trek's time.

(Ha! We just need to drop a Genesis Device on the planet!)

Anyway, to recap and expand on some points already raised here:

*The wormhole idea was mine first damn it! Open wormhole with one mouth on Mars and the other on Venus and the pressure difference on each planet would do the rest of the work - we'd kill two terriforming birds with one stone! (Mars would be transformed first by this process however - a *lot* sooner than Venus!)

But you don't even need black holes or wormholes! I have read a few science fiction short stories that deal with methods to terraform Venus with less far out - but still very advanced and expensive - technologies.

* No need for giant rocket engines - the spin and orbit Venus could be changed - slowly, over 100's of years - by altering the orbits many asterioids (we can do this now with solar sails) to swing by the planet in a carefully planned sequence to slowly drag it away from the Sun and/or speed up it's rotation. (Such a method has been suggested could be used to slowly by surely move the Earth away from the Sun in the future when it (the Sun) starts to expand.)

* Blast some of the excess atmosphere off with massive comet impacts - that would also supply the world with extra water.

* Deploy a giant space-based solar shield on one side to cut down the solar heating on the planet - then later add space-based to warm the "dark" side.

* Drop packages of gengineered alge that would eat carbon dioxide and release oxygen in the upper atmosphere as it slowly drops, binding the carbon up and raining it out on the surface.

* Venus' present atmosphere is so thick dirgibles would be an *ideal* platform for floating carbon sequestration factories - and habitats.

And I think it's very short-sighted to say that terriforming Venus will for sure "never ever happen."

Like it's been pointed out here already we have no idea what kind of technological advancements will be made in 100, or 1000 or 10,000 years! And even if it's still a very long-term project - in the future our post-human descendents could live much, much longer, and so think and plan on *much* longer timescales than we do now! Or one single generation could build self-replicating machines programed to do the task without human or post-human help!

(We just have to be careful that one day those machines don't mutate and decide to assimilate us!)
 
I think it's very short-sighted to say that terriforming Venus will for sure "never ever happen."
Let's just say the odds are extremely slim based on anything we currently understand.

Like it's been pointed out here already we have no idea what kind of technological advancements will be made in 100, or 1000 or 10,000 years!
True, the future is difficult to predict. Civilization could as easily revert back to the bronze age in 10,000 years as for humans to be terraforming Venus.

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I think it's very short-sighted to say that terriforming Venus will for sure "never ever happen."
Let's just say the odds are extremely slim based on anything we currently understand.
Key word there "currently".


Like it's been pointed out here already we have no idea what kind of technological advancements will be made in 100, or 1000 or 10,000 years!
True, the future is difficult to predict. Civilization could as easily revert back to the bronze age in 10,000 years as for humans to be terraforming Venus.

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So, your definitely a "glass is half empty" guy.
 
People overlook the obvious in terraforming.

Humans will terraform Earth long before they terraform other planets.
 
People overlook the obvious in terraforming.

Humans will terraform Earth long before they terraform other planets.

OK, to be honesty, I get what you mean, but I can't refusing asking. How do you terraform terra?:p

Modify regions of the Earth unsuitable for human habitation so that they are tolerable for humans.

IIRC, most humans live on something like 4% of the Earths solid surface.

Imagine bringing a mild climate to Antartica or Siberian regions or making desert regions cooler and wetter.

There are a number of proposals for Terran climate modification. Many involve orbital mirrors for various uses.
 
Imagine bringing a mild climate to Antartica
Isn't this the idea Al Gore is terrorizing people with today?

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Al Gore and company are terrorizing people with the idea of global warming leading to massive polar ice melts and rising sea levels.

Any kind of "Terran Terraforming" that included Antartica would include something along the lines of mining the excessive freshwater ice from the surface of Antartica and removing it to areas that could use it.

A mammoth project to be sure, but then all terraforming ideas are by nature "massive".
 
the Ice covering antarctica is deep enough that it buries a mountain range as high as the alps. your going to have a bit more than you need for "areas that can use it" and I would hazard a guess that the ice sheet would replenish itself faster than you could ever clear it to make use of the antarctic land mass.
 
the Ice covering antarctica is deep enough that it buries a mountain range as high as the alps. your going to have a bit more than you need for "areas that can use it" and I would hazard a guess that the ice sheet would replenish itself faster than you could ever clear it to make use of the antarctic land mass.

Not likely given that Antartica gets less than 10 inches of equivalent rainfall per year.
 
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