It was certainly heading for SCOOBY DO territory which the ending of the movie turned headlong into.
The Undiscovered Country
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The rubber mask was the clincher, wasn't it?
Depending on what version of the movie you saw. I recently watched the theatrical cut (thanks to the new DVD that's out). That scene was not missed at all.
Sure it wasn't his Mirror universe counterpart?
Rewatching I am seeing things that I hadn't really noticed before that I just get a kick out of now...
The Federation President is Red Foreman just with wicked awesome hair.
Odo is Colonel West.
Why is the Romulan Ambassador sitting in on a presumed classified proposed operation to retrieve Kirk and McCoy by an 'illegal' treaty violating military action?
All with-in one scene.
Still one of my favorite's of the ST movies.
Watched this last night for the first time in aaaaages!
And really enjoyed it! Felt it was more like an extended epsiode rather than a feature film and I liked it better for it!
Tho Kim Cattrall was a bit sh!t as a Vulcan I felt!
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It did what Star Trek did its best at(and what successfully seperated it from other science fiction). And that being, it addressed the issues of that particular time. Be it social, political, religious, or moral. Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country will always be a personal favorite of mine when it comes to TOS movies.
It introduced me to Shakespeare(which I became a fan of thereafter). Plus it came out the year I graduated high school.
It had an excellent storyline, a remarkable director, and most of all, plenty of action for TOS cast.
And it even left the door open for a series about Captain Hikaru Sulu, Commander Pavel Chekov, and the rest of the crew of the U.S.S. Excelsior. Something that Paramount should have done(the studio execs obviously had their heads up their asses or just shit for brains).
Most of all, it had an astounding guest cast(Christopher Plummer, David Warner, Rene Auberjonois, Kurtwood Smith, Christian Slater, and Kim Cattrall, among others).
For a Star Trek movie(especially one that is celebrating its anniversary at the time), you couldn't ask for anything better than that.
It introduced me to Shakespeare(which I became a fan of thereafter). Plus it came out the year I graduated high school.
It had an excellent storyline, a remarkable director, and most of all, plenty of action for TOS cast.
And it even left the door open for a series about Captain Hikaru Sulu, Commander Pavel Chekov, and the rest of the crew of the U.S.S. Excelsior. Something that Paramount should have done(the studio execs obviously had their heads up their asses or just shit for brains).
Most of all, it had an astounding guest cast(Christopher Plummer, David Warner, Rene Auberjonois, Kurtwood Smith, Christian Slater, and Kim Cattrall, among others).
For a Star Trek movie(especially one that is celebrating its anniversary at the time), you couldn't ask for anything better than that.
I have to agree with nearly everything you said here. I'm watching it right now as I write this post and it really is a solid movie, one of the best in the TOS era of movies. It's definitely a thinker and with the many times I've watched this movie, there's always something new to catch.
There was thought put into the story and this movie told an excellent one at that. It's amazing how such simple lines (" Don't you have work to do? Get to it ") alluded to something much more bigger and if you weren't paying attention, you wouldn't have got it.
Also, this scene is probably the best scene ever in a ST movie. It sent shivers down my spine when I first saw it at the age of 10 and it still does today. My #1 favorite scene from a ST movie.
Kim Cattrall wasn't a bad Vulcan either. There was something enamouring about her, almost like Kristie Alley's Saavik - though ironically the part was originally written for the character Saavik.
This is something that later series failed to do. The writers either didn't pay attention to the real world or just didn't care. A lot of people want Star Trek to feel timeless, but you're never going to get that. The special effects alone will tell you when the show was made. So why hide the fact that the show was produced in the 90s? Instead, embrace. When I think back to a lot of what was going on in the 90s and the 2000s, I see a lot of missed opportunities for the writers. Instead of wasting time with the anomaly of the week or endless wars, they should've been drawing inspiration from real life events. Michael Piller tried to do this with Insurrection when he talked the issue of ethnic relocation. But it was done so poorly that I don't think people really picked up on the parallel. Plus, it was hard to sympathize with the Ba'ku since moving them off their world wasn't going to suddenly kill them. Science fiction is great in that it can address current events in ways that you can't do in other genres. It's too bad Berman-era Trek writers didn't want to.
Don’t you believe it. The conversation that was cut short was:
KIRK: Who? Who wants us killed?
WARDEN: Since you're all going to die anyway, why not tell you? His name is... [HIGHLIGHT]EVERY KLINGON IN THE WHOLE [KLINGON EXPLETIVE] EMPIRE!!![/HIGHLIGHT] Seriously, name a Klingon who does not want you killed. One.
KIRK: Uh... Hmm... Korrd.
McCOY: (clears throat)
KIRK: Korrd?
McCOY: I told you not to sleep with Caithlin Dar. What is it with you?
KIRK: It would appear to be unanimous.
WARDEN: It is an extraordinary honor for me to be the one to do it.
KIRK: Congratulations.
WARDEN: Speaking of which, we had better get on with it.
KIRK: Let me—
McCOY: —us—
KIRK: —finish the cigar.
WARDEN: You humans have strange customs. No, Klingons do not waste time on such things. I would not want to end up one of those ridiculous idiots who could have killed the hero, but did not because he talked too m... Shit!!!!
As fortune would have it, Enterprise arrived a little early and we were spared the TFF reference.
With all due respect to Slater, that was a slap in the face to the fans.
How? The part started out as quite generic. Had the fans at that New York convention voted otherwise, Slater would have poached Kevin Riley's lines, not Janice Rand's.
I know plenty of ST fans who were excited by a Christian Slater cameo in a ST movie.
I would have been as happy with Riley as with Rand. Maybe even more so.
It wasn’t a slap in the face to those fans. It was a slap in the face to fans in the future. They knew they were capping off something timeless, didn’t they?
Takei can certainly carry the lead - he has a lot of gravitas when the plot demands it - see his performance in Heroes or World Enough and Time(?) on the Phase II site.
Whitney's performance was a bit stilted but then she was pushing 70 when the film was made wasn't she, and she hadn't been doing that much acting I assume so it's excusable that she was a bit rusty. It's still a fun cameo. I'm glad she won the vote (I think I may have voted for her myself on trekmovie.com although I don't know if that was related).
It's a shame that half of Janice's lines were farmed out to others though and I don't agree with them porting her line about using the equipment to map gaseous anomalies from the Excelsior to the Enterprise. The obsession with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy took that scene to silly extremes. I love them but seriously - a ship full of engineers and weapons experts and Spock and McCoy have to 'perform surgery' on the torpedo? I would have preferred the greater degree of story logic if the Excelsior crew had been doing it and it would not have detracted from the exposure of the main cast. Quality is better than quantity as 'Row, row, row your boat' more than demonstrated...
I do think that STV and STVI were becoming too self-indulgent with the main characters. Giving Sulu's crew a bit more authority would have worked just as well and might even have convinced more people that a Sulu mini-series hot on the heels of the movie was worthwhile.
How the fight with Chang could have gone down:
Excelsior is racing to the scene.
Spock figures out that a BoP that can fire while cloaked would vent ionized gas. They realize it could be tracked by the gaseous anomaly equipment on Excelsior and try to contact them, but a shot from Chang takes out communications. Kirk says he hopes Excelsior’s crew figures it out and Spock says something about faith that the future is in capable hands. Chang is about to deliver the coup de grace when Excelsior arrives on scene and fires a homing torpedo.
Better?
Add Janice making hot coffee with a phaser and I'm sold.
Oh, really? I had read that she tried for the part but never got it. Never knew Meyer actually wanted her.