Spoilers The Treatment of dead characters

[marsh8472]

translator applied to OP:

"Hey everyone! I don't like DSC...and I found ANOTHER reason to rationalize my feelings!"

I've said positive things about the series before too like I think the Spore drive gives the series potential to explore unknown space. But in general there's more bad than good.

She was credited as a guest star in the opening credits. They were telling you straight up that she was going to be gone soon one way or another. It made it pretty obvious that when she put down the force field that it was her death scene.

I don't know why they couldn't have simply listed her name normally in the episodes she was in just to keep it a surprise.

You're right, but I never pay attention to the credits.

I checked to make sure no one else was a guest star but didn't notice anything.

It looks like they went a little overboard with their credits though

^Accountants and payroll people, really??

Servers and On Set Caterers? Seriously??

Why not put the custodians on there too

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Landry was a huge unlikable bitch though.

The entire crew are unlikable jerks though.

 

[The Librarian]

It looks like they went a little overboard with their credits though

^Accounts and payroll people, really??

Servers and On Set Caterers? Seriously??

Why not put the custodians on there too

Add this to the list of perfectly normal things people decide is suddenly worth complaining about.

 

[Noname Given]

I've said positive things about the series before too like I think the Spore drive gives the series potential to explore unknown space. But in general there's more bad than good.




You're right, but I never pay attention to the credits.

I checked to make sure no one else was a guest star but didn't notice anything.

It looks like they went a little overboard with their credits though

^Accounts and payroll people, really??

Servers and On Set Caterers? Seriously??

Why not put the custodians on there too

^^^
Welcome to Hollywood unions and modern TV credits.

 

[Jadeb]

I've been surprised people had such a strong reaction to Landry, to the point of being glad she's dead. Before her insanely stupid death, she barely made an impression on me other than "Lorca's tough-guy enforcer."

 

[F. King Daniel]

I know you're jesting, but I just wanted to point out that the “flashsideways” in Lost actually were showing the place where they all meet up after they died.

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Had it been "what if they never crashed on the island?" like it seemed at first, it might not have been the Worst Ending Ever In All of Recorded History™.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I've said positive things about the series before too like I think the Spore drive gives the series potential to explore unknown space. But in general there's more bad than good.




You're right, but I never pay attention to the credits.

I checked to make sure no one else was a guest star but didn't notice anything.

It looks like they went a little overboard with their credits though

^Accounts and payroll people, really??

Servers and On Set Caterers? Seriously??

Why not put the custodians on there too

Why not? The creative staff work better when they're paid, well fed, and working in a clean, pleasant workspace, do they not? So if you're on a streaming service with no broadcast time restrictions, why not list everyone who works on the show in the credits?

 

[marsh8472]

Landry was a huge unlikable bitch though.

Kira, Seven of Nine, and Torres were unlikable bitches in the beginning too. All of the nice characters are supposed to rub off on them as time goes on.

 

[marsh8472]

Why not? The creative staff work better when they're paid, well fed, and working in a clean, pleasant workspace, do they not? So if you're on a streaming service with no broadcast time restrictions, why not list everyone who works on the show in the credits?

To what end? They could thank the people that work at the utility companies, mail carrier, garbage men. Where would we be without them? I looked through the credits of an Enterprise and DS9 episode. They just list people who have titles directly relating to the film industry.

 

[oberth]

Voyager's pilot kills off at least one commander, along with a solid proportion of the ship's senior crew. Conveniently those who could be immediately replaced by marquis.

they needed some time to replace the engineer



... and made quite a fuzz about it

 

[oberth]

Flashbacks are great. Flashforwards are great. Flashsideways into an alternate universe are great.

But if it ends up that they're all dead and are meeting up again before going to heaven I will burn this franchise to the ground.

... and be shot while doing so. thus you will show up personally in the series three famous episode a banket in valhalla

 

[Locutus of Bored]

To what end? They could thank the people that work at the utility companies, mail carrier, garbage men. Where would we be without them? I looked through the credits of an Enterprise and DS9 episode. They just list people who have titles directly relating to the film industry.

Careful you don't fall down that slippery slope. You end it where the contracted staff for the show ends, ie. not mail carriers or garbage men not directly employed or contracted to the studio for that production. And I already addressed the difference between DSC and DS9 or ENT in that the latter two were made for broadcast and had a limited time for credits, whereas DSC is a streaming show that can take all the time it wants to roll the full credits. If you have the time to acknowledge everyone who worked on the show, what's the problem?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Voyager's pilot kills off at least one commander, along with a solid proportion of the ship's senior crew. Conveniently those who could be immediately replaced by marquis.

Yup. I think we need to recognize that Discovery is not going to reuse the same old cast dynamic where certain officer posts were played by regular actors. Just because we had security chiefs in the past played by a regular character like Worf and Tuvok doesn't mean Landry was meant to be as important. In fact, this is the first Trek show where the chief medical officer is not a regular character. Then there's the matter that our main character is a convict, not the captain.

And please, just because they kill Landry doesn't mean Trek is aping Game of Thrones and Walking Dead. Characters like Ned Stark were far more crucial roles to the show than a disposable red shirt like Landry. That would be like claiming we were supposed to be shocked that the unnamed CMO played by an uncredited actor in Voyager was killed off.

 

[marsh8472]

Careful you don't fall down that slippery slope. You end it where the contracted staff for the show ends, ie. not mail carriers or garbage men not directly employed or contracted to the studio for that production. And I already addressed the difference between DSC and DS9 or ENT in that the latter two were made for broadcast and had a limited time for credits, whereas DSC is a streaming show that can take all the time it wants to roll the full credits. If you have the time to acknowledge everyone who worked on the show, what's the problem?

The places I've come across that address it think they put them in the credits as part of a deal so they don't have to pay them as much.

 

[Prax]

Wanna know what show constantly introduced characters, then killed them off? Even more than GoT, Sopranos, or Discovery.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars. An animated kids show on cartoon network. The death toll of on screen deaths(usually violent, often graphic) of named characters with dialogue is in the hundreds. Some seasons have more than a hundred alone.

 

[mattyhugh]

GoT has a much less regard for life compared to previous star trek series. They killed off people all the time for shock value then new characters are introduced in the next season otherwise they'd run out of people to kill.

Another respect in which Trek cannot compare to GoT or Westworld.

The Game of Thrones deaths had weight because Benioff and Weiss had Martin's books to fall back on. With the exception of Hodor, every other meaningful death was (either Oberyn or Jon) was already layed out by Martin. Hodor I firming believe was Benioff and Weiss telegraphing what Martin's plan for Hodor was, what Hodor even meant, etc. Game of Thrones (which I still enjoy) is a pale comparison of the show it used to be. In fact, it has a lot more in common now with Discovery than people realize. A focus on cinematic visuals and plot as opposed to really digging deep into character. I think we'll get there (eventually) with Burnam, but we're not there yet.

Westworld hasn't had anything yet that compares to Ned Stark or Oberyn Martell's death. But I will concide that anything on HBO just feels more polished that Discovery, and it's clearly what CBS wants this show to be. But it's not quite there yet for me.

Maybe I should just go watch my Mad Men Blu rays for my deep character studies.

 

[Refuge]

You have to be invested in a character to feel something when they die. Mostly those you see for a while first earn that connection. Though a really good actor with an impacting role .. and some decent writing.. can leave a sense of loss. Suder in Voyager was in three episodes but it mattered.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The places I've come across that address it think they put them in the credits as part of a deal so they don't have to pay them as much.

You might want to stop going to those places.

 

[Succubint]

Wanna know what show constantly introduced characters, then killed them off? Even more than GoT, Sopranos, or Discovery.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars. An animated kids show on cartoon network. The death toll of on screen deaths(usually violent, often graphic) of named characters with dialogue is in the hundreds. Some seasons have more than a hundred alone.

You don't even have to look that far. TOS did it. In season one, for example, they were constantly introducing bridge crew or visitors to the ship who had dialogue, a back history or friendship with other crew members who died horribly in some way. That's not even including the poor red shirts that dropped like flies so that the Kirk or Spock could make it out of an away mission alive.

 

[marsh8472]

Ellen Landry was also the only half way decent looking girl on the series too. Bummer