Spoilers The Treatment of dead characters
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Yar was a regular. Landry was a redshirt.
Given that the Chief of Security Ellen Landry died, it didn't seem like they made a big deal about it. It also seemed rather random, unexpected and pointless.
Compared to this Chief of Security that died in TNG also in their first season.
So like all Star Trek shows? All sorts of people died in Star Trek. That's were the redshirt myth comes from.
GoT makes a pretty big deal about character deaths. A lot them are what drives many of the plots and actions of the characters. Who have they replaced?
I'm referring to bridge crew not random security people. She was chief of security like Worf, Tuvok, Odo. They also killed off Captain Philippa Georgiou
TOS killed off no main characters
TNG killed off Tasha Yar, made a huge deal about it
DS9 killed Jadzia, made a huge deal about it
Voyager killed off some bridge crew in their pilot episode, but none of them knew each other. Other than that no bridge crew deaths.
Enterprise killed off no one except Tucker in the final episode
GoT has a much less regard for life compared to previous star trek series. They killed off people all the time for shock value then new characters are introduced in the next season otherwise they'd run out of people to kill.
No, other than holding the same position, Landry is not like Yar,Worf, Tuvok and Odo. Landry is like Tormonlen, Tomlinson or Mitchell. Guest stars who wind up dead. You might note that Tormolin and Mitchell were bridge officers. So that doesn't grant one immunity.
I don't think you've watched the show.
na it's true, why pretend it's not? Like they killed off Ned then brought Stanus, Red Witch, other characters the next season remember? kill off more characters then bring in others next season. That's the pattern. Perhaps you're too used to this to notice a big change in writing style there.
Killing off main characters didn't happen often in prior trek series. Ellen Landry was in multiple episodes and they were giving her screen time. I was assuming she'd be a main character until she wasn't
Killing off main characters didn't happen often in prior trek series. Ellen Landry was in multiple episodes and they were giving her screen time. I was assuming she'd be a main character until she wasn't
Looks like you assumed wrong.
Prior trek series wouldn't have wasted time and killed off a commander like that. Maybe they're going to do the "killing people off" gimmick in this series too. Time will tell
I was also fooled into thinking Landry was a series regular, partly because I knew the actress from "BSG." In reality I think she had more in common with that one guy on "Buffy" in the first two episodes that was a close friend to Xander and Willow and it's made to look like he might be part of the show but instead gets killed and your supose to be shocked.
LIke on "Buffy" it was as if he never existed and was never talked about again and not even brought back in times were you could bring him back such as the alternate universe Cordy made or the dream episode or guess i should say episodes because they actually did two of them. Heck he could even been used in "Zeppo" or the episode were the guy brought his brother back and was using dead girl parts to create him a Frankenstein style girlfriend for him.
Jason
LIke on "Buffy" it was as if he never existed and was never talked about again and not even brought back in times were you could bring him back such as the alternate universe Cordy made or the dream episode or guess i should say episodes because they actually did two of them. Heck he could even been used in "Zeppo" or the episode were the guy brought his brother back and was using dead girl parts to create him a Frankenstein style girlfriend for him.
Jason
To paraphrase Arrow on the CV.
"If Landry had looked more like Worf and less like the Battlestar Galactica girl, then I don't think any fans would have given a crap."
"If Landry had looked more like Worf and less like the Battlestar Galactica girl, then I don't think any fans would have given a crap."
Did they mention it outside of that episode? Honest question, I don't remember.
I think on TNG they wanted to show that they lost one of their own and were affected because it's that kind of show. I'm pretty sure Landry's death was meant to perpetuate the uneasiness of life aboard Discovery and to bolster the notion that Lorca is ruthlessly pragmatic and dogged.
As was Tasha's.
Just my opinion, but I do think Lorca displayed genuine regret for the death of Landry. Did seem to blame himself a little bit, but it was subtle and perhaps YMMV on that. Yes, he didn't break down emotionally, but a captain is expected to weather losses of the crew. It's part of the job.
Landry seemed to be Lorca's devotee and right hand person. She had an abrasive sense of humor and it's unlikely she befriended many of the other crew members.
Tasha, on the other hand was shown to have formed connections with several crew members including Troi and Data. If you look at it objectively, Landry was killed on her second episode and was never intended to be one of the regular bridge crew. She's the Gary Mitchell of the story, and yet got even less character development prior to her demise. Just because she was the Chief of Security, doesn't mean she going to be important narratively. She basically was a plot cautionary tale. Her actions were impulsive and antithetical to the UFP's principles. That's why she had to die.
Landry seemed to be Lorca's devotee and right hand person. She had an abrasive sense of humor and it's unlikely she befriended many of the other crew members.
Tasha, on the other hand was shown to have formed connections with several crew members including Troi and Data. If you look at it objectively, Landry was killed on her second episode and was never intended to be one of the regular bridge crew. She's the Gary Mitchell of the story, and yet got even less character development prior to her demise. Just because she was the Chief of Security, doesn't mean she going to be important narratively. She basically was a plot cautionary tale. Her actions were impulsive and antithetical to the UFP's principles. That's why she had to die.
Anyone else think this thread was going to be about Georgiou's corpse getting eaten by the Klingons?
How quickly people forget poor Cavit.
If you're talking Star Trek - in TOS there was plenty of meaningless random redshirt death (at least 1 to 3 a week). As for Landry in ST: D - IDK, she obviously thought the sedative worked - and was wanting (for whatever reason to push Burnham to just do what Lorca ordered and not do a full study of the creature. She definitely had anger issues but her death was more due to overconfidence and believing the creature would be affected by sedatives on board. Again, it's the TOS era so random Red..er Copper-strip deaths are expected.
Given that the Chief of Security Ellen Landry died, it didn't seem like they made a big deal about it. It also seemed rather random, unexpected and pointless.
Compared to this Chief of Security that died in TNG also in their first season.
Tasha's death was because the writers made her utterly stupid. She's seen what Armus was capable of, and Armus WARNED all of them to NOT to try to go to the shuttle but stupid Secruity Chief Tasha Yar said, "Enough! We've given you good reason!" - and walked across the line and Armus blasted her to death. She died because the character was an idiot.
Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence. I definitely want the "nobody is safe" approach.
2 episodes...........barely qualifies for "multiple".
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