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The transporter effects

Of course, since it's made up there's no "real" about the process, but it seems to me you should not be able to move or talk once the cycle has begun.
I've seen the discussions before, so I won't rehash them here, except to say in brief that it is matter-converted-to-energy vs. "wormhole" notion of beaming. (In the former, one would expect some sort of imposed "stasis" as the conversion takes place. Movement would result in the disgusting "slicing" effects described in Michael Crichton's Timeline where micro discontinuities between nerves and tiny blood vessels occurs. It wouldn't take too many passes to completely mess someone up, vindicating McCoy.)

Further up-thread I compared the "jumping" in Steven Gould's book Jumper with the visuals in the movie. That was partly to make a point about the different looks of the phenomenon. But the book was clear about what was happening. Davy, the jumper, is experimenting with the aid of his girlfriend, Millie. The first test is simply a video recording of a jump. This shows a single frame after Davy disappears with a "Davy-shaped-hole" with the background of the new location. He's creating a hole and pushing himself through. (Although he does not feel it as motion.)

In other tests, Davy handcuffs himself to a wrought iron rail, then tries to jump. This painfully sprains a shoulder, and Davy is kept from completing the jump. Then, free of the cuffs, Millie tries to hang on to Davy. He slides away like a greased melon seed. They try again, this time Millie using a wrap-around wrestling hold, and she goes through.

In the second book, it is discovered that the extremely brief "hole" can allow water, or higher air pressure to slip through. He uses this knowledge to develop a new technique that he calls "twinning." He jumps back and forth, only a meter apart, faster and faster until there are "two" of him facing each other. They even reach out and feel the ghostly touch of hands. Twinning becomes a powerful tool. Davy discovers other fascinating techniques in other books.
 
First it kills you. Then it reconstitutes you. That's why in TOS you don't see them move once they start "sparkling". They're living copies once they've reformed, however...

Or so I've read somewhere.

I simply like the suggestion of particles (which can be viewed as the glitter fills the form) swirling about wildly as the beam does its work and breaks down the molecules. It was cool then. It's cool now.

But it takes too long. It's like the transporter console is using a dial-up modem as opposed to broadband. Who wants to go back to dial-up? Maybe an audiophile who loves the sound of the modem screeching through copper wires as it claws its way into a connection. Like me! But I'll keep my broadband, thank you!
 
I have long had the idea the transporter works near instantly, but what we’re seeing is a fore/after effect of the process. The dematerialization and materialization is happening simultaneously. You are not converted into energy and later reassembled back into matter after a few seconds, but it’s happening at the same time. We interpret it differently because thats how it’s depicted, If you showed it as a spilt-screen effect, where you see dematerialization and materialization simultaneously, it could be seen somewhat more accurately.

Thats my two cents.

I have also long enjoyed the discussion on this matter at the beginning of James Blish’s novel Spock Must Die! And that was written in 1970.
 
I have also long enjoyed the discussion on this matter at the beginning of James Blish’s novel Spock Must Die! And that was written in 1970.
I remember reading that discussion back in the late 70s and thinking “holy shit” - I guess Blish had some ideas on how it worked that he wanted to immortalize.
 
The dematerialization and materialization is happening simultaneously.
Maybe. But the process still takes time. Transportees do not instantly disappear, as Spock joked in "The Gamesters of Triskelion."

"I presume you mean they vanished in a manner not consistent with the usual workings of the transporter, Mister Scott."

However, there are numerous episodes where it is obvious that the transporting process is not simultaneous at both ends. In "The Enemy Within" the climactic re-unification beaming appears to occur within the machine—the Kirks were not sent anywhere.

The Constellation had already detonated inside the Doomsday Machine, yet Kirk had not integrated in the transporter chamber. Although one might argue editorial timing on that one. (If it were simultaneous, the interior of the Enterprise might have been blitzed by the explosion coming through.)

In a similar case, the antimatter bomb in "Obsession" blows up in the landing party's faces. Then there is a drawn out effort to recover Kirk and Garrovick during which the ship is rocked by shockwaves from the explosion below.

Most compellingly, there is "The Day of the Dove," which contains one of my favorite Klingon proverbs.

"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man."

In the opening scene, Kirk discreetly signals the ship, and the Starfleet crew are materialized first. Scotty then reports that all others are "suspended in transit," pointing to the console and saying, "Well, they're right in here."
 
I've always hated this too. Kirk talking during beam out in TUC?

Of course, since it's made up there's no "real" about the process, but it seems to me you should not be able to move or talk once the cycle has begun.

I've seen the discussions before, so I won't rehash them here, except to say in brief that it is matter-converted-to-energy vs. "wormhole" notion of beaming.


Nicolas Meyer, and whoever wrote "Realm of Fear," may have envisioned transport as the person going through a tube, a little custom wormhole generated just for him. So you fly through that energy tube intact and conscious all the way.
 
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I liked the transporter effect in ST:TMP.
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I have long had the idea the transporter works near instantly, but what we’re seeing is a fore/after effect of the process. ...

Or maybe the talking transportee we see and hear is just some audio/video remaining in some spatial buffer even as the actual body is being disassembled.

(It's fun making up explanations, no?)
 
The fastest beaming was in TOS----the Klingon transporter was quick.

In the novel The Final Reflection the Klingons are in fact quite PROUD of how quick - and silent - their transporter is. There's even a scientific explanation as to why Starfleet transporters make noise. :lol:
 
I wouldn't be surprised if their transporter killed you and just made a copy....as opposed to a cascade where you are lined body and soul.
 
I have long had the idea the transporter works near instantly, but what we’re seeing is a fore/after effect of the process. The dematerialization and materialization is happening simultaneously. You are not converted into energy and later reassembled back into matter after a few seconds, but it’s happening at the same time. We interpret it differently because thats how it’s depicted, If you showed it as a spilt-screen effect, where you see dematerialization and materialization simultaneously, it could be seen somewhat more accurately.

Thats my two cents.

I have also long enjoyed the discussion on this matter at the beginning of James Blish’s novel Spock Must Die! And that was written in 1970.

Funny, I thought just the opposite. On episodes like "The Doomsday Machine" when beaming Kirk, the Constellation is destroyed and gone and Kirk is obviously not there and he has not yet materialized on the Enterprise. He is stuck in transit. The same thing in "Obsession," the planet is blown up and the ship is being hit with shock waves, yet the landing party has not yet materialized. Final example is "The Enemy Within" the two Kirks were not beamed anywhere; they were dematerialized and reassembled completely within the machine. These examples from the top of my head are why I believe there is a period when the person being transported is in neither location but is in transit as data.


EDIT: Disregard, I replied before I read Metryq's post which I concur with.
 
Good things about the TOS transporter: It saved the production crew a lot of time and money as they didn't have to show a shuttle landing every episode. It looks and sounds great even now. It's handy for when the crew get shrunk or transformed into children.

The bad thing about the TOS transporter: it's given us 60 years of people wondering if Starfleet officers are knowingly walking into a murder booth just so they can send their clones down on away missions without the hassle of using a shuttle. Captain Kirk orders the crew to burn through their dilithium crystals to get to a damaged ship before it explodes so they can clone the crew and let the originals die. Kirk's split into two people, a good clone and a bad clone! Both must die so that a third clone can live!
 
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