the thin-gay line

[Islander]

How about an entire gay race, the J'naii: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/J'naii

The J’naii weren’t gay, they were genderless.

I’ve always thought it would have been cool to encounter a truly “gay race.” Imagine the Enterprise encounters a world where the the people are gay. The reproduce in laboratories. The family unit, which is a bedrock of their society, consists either of one or more boys being raised by two fathers who teach the boys how to be men, or one or more girls being raised by two mothers who teach the girls how to be women.

But here’s the deal: Only 90% of their people are really gay. 10% are straight. The straights are denounced by the dominant religion on the planet, which teaches that heterosexual sex is animalistic, vile, and sinful, while homosexual bonding is spiritual and holy. The straights are pressured by the majority to “change their lifestyles,” give up their sinful ways, and live as gays. Straights are scorned and often targeted for violence. They do not get many of the basic legal rights that gays take for granted. “Reparative therapy” is offered to “cure” them. And so on.

Just to give viewers a brief opportunity to imagine what it would be like being on the other side, you know?

Have you watch the episode? The J'naii were an homosexual society that evolved into a genderless one over time given the lack of need of gender. 10% of the population still identify themselves as a specific gender which is define as vile and sinful and endup in "reprogramming".

 

[Islander]

If anything I would say Harry Kim was gay for refusing sex with 7!

I don't know about being gay but definetely a moron in my book...

 

[RobertScorpio]

If anything I would say Harry Kim was gay for refusing sex with 7!

I don't know about being gay but definetely a moron in my book...

if anyone needed some RED MATTER to relive a moment in time? Its harry!
Rob

 

[USS Triumphant]

Yeah, right, as if that's still happening in anything other then hardline religous communities or third world countries.

I hate to tell you this, but captrek accurately describes most of the current United States of America.

 

[Destructor]

Islander, I've seen The Outcast dozens of times and the J'naii were never a 'homosexual species'. They are a genderless species.

I always thought Geordi was pretty gay.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Well, the writers seemed to start Geordi off as gay in S1, but they decided it would be funny if they just made him a failure with women instead.

 

[DevilEyes]

She thinks Picard, Bashier, Garak, Dukat, 7/9, T'pol, Reed, Worf's son (as portrayed on DS9), Wesley, Jake, Q (even in Delancy form) Beverly Crusher, Troi are all bi..and some of them are closeted gays.

Picard is definately not bisexual; if anything, he's a very aloof classical straight guy. Bashir is simply a charming man; doesn't make him bisexual either. Garak likes to rape Bajoran women, but that's about it. 7/9 is asexual due to fear of the concept; when she does let it out bit by bit you see clearly she is straight as can be. T'pol is straight, Reed is straight, Alexander is straight, Wesley sure is straight, Jake is straight, Q is... who knows what Q is, Beverly is straight and Troi is straight.

If they're bisexual, I'm bisexual. You're bisexual. Every male who's not a brutish Neanderthal is bisexual.

I'm assuming that's a typo and you meant Dukat - I don't think Garak could be said to have raped anyone or been involved with any Bajoran women. Dukat was definitely into Bajoran women, yes, though I don't know if you could call it "rape", depends on your definition of the word. I guess you might call it rape in a sense because of the fact of his position of power over them that he used, but it was clear from what we've seen that literal rape was never his style - even his relationships with "comfort women" like Kira's mom involved seduction and emotional manipulation that lead to them "choosing" to be with him, which is so much more in character for a narcissist obsessed with being loved and adored by Bajoran people.

Other than that, you're right, none of the people on that list give off any bisexual or gay vibes and to argue otherwise would be a real stretch and quite silly.

Except for Garak, he was quite ambiguous and did give off a vibe that he might be gay or bisexual, and Andrew Robinson actually said he was playing him as "omnisexual".

 

[Timewalker]

That whole exchange between O'Brien and Bashir doesn't mean that O'Brien wishes Keiko were literally, physically, a man. He just wishes Keiko would think like a man, because a man would understand why he wanted that extra stuff cluttering up the bedroom.

BTW, I once read a fanfic about Garak/Bashir that was much steamier than many heterosexual fanfics.

And I think it's pretty obvious that Harry Kim wasn't gay. He refused Seven because she intimidated him too much. Doesn't mean he didn't find her attractive.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Harry Kim was intimidated by anything female. He, Woody Allen and Shia LeBouf could form an amazing Akward Action Squad.

 

[Nardpuncher]

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

I find that this is true with most of RobertScorpio's threads.

Strange questions lke who'd be the best Trek charcter from each series to go sky-diving with, and who'd be the best mechanic for your car or who'd drink what whiskey.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

But in the end, are these not the very questions man has dreamt of answering since he first looked upon the face of the internet?

 

[Destructor]

I always assumed Geordi's discomfort with women was derived from the fact that he was gay. Like, he WANTED to be straight, but basically his extreme gayness could not be overcome. I mean just look at how excited he gets when Wesley comes on board. And also watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRg2RiLKzo

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

That whole exchange between O'Brien and Bashir doesn't mean that O'Brien wishes Keiko were literally, physically, a man. He just wishes Keiko would think like a man, because a man would understand why he wanted that extra stuff cluttering up the bedroom.

Well, the point is that O'Brien was about to say "like you" (= Bashir), but then he tried to hastily correct himself by saying "like a man"... which was just as awkward (perhaps even more so).

And in "Explorers" he's saying that Bashir is a guy you either love or hate. And then he starts to stumble and says that he "really does not hate" Bashir ("and that's from the heart").

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Yeah, right, as if that's still happening in anything other then hardline religous communities or third world countries.

I hate to tell you this, but captrek accurately describes most of the current United States of America.

Really? How very sad. And horrible.

I'm assuming that's a typo and you meant Dukat - I don't think Garak could be said to have raped anyone or been involved with any Bajoran women. Dukat was definitely into Bajoran women, yes, though I don't know if you could call it "rape", depends on your definition of the word. I guess you might call it rape in a sense because of the fact of his position of power over them that he used, but it was clear from what we've seen that literal rape was never his style - even his relationships with "comfort women" like Kira's mom involved seduction and emotional manipulation that lead to them "choosing" to be with him, which is so much more in character for a narcissist obsessed with being loved and adored by Bajoran people.

Other than that, you're right, none of the people on that list give off any bisexual or gay vibes and to argue otherwise would be a real stretch and quite silly.

Except for Garak, he was quite ambiguous and did give off a vibe that he might be gay or bisexual, and Andrew Robinson actually said he was playing him as "omnisexual".

You are right, I meant Dukat. But what your saying is true -- bit much to describe in less then 5 words, so that's why I called it rape.

And for Garak... perhaps he might indeed be the only one who could be bisexual. But that's more because we never actually saw his sexual preferences IIRC -- he was more into mental conquests.

 

[Green Shirt]

Well, the writers seemed to start Geordi off as gay in S1, but they decided it would be funny if they just made him a failure with women instead.

Well, plenty of opportunity for comic relief no matter which way it was played.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Islander, I've seen The Outcast dozens of times and the J'naii were never a 'homosexual species'. They are a genderless species.

I always thought Geordi was pretty gay.

If this was the episode with Riker,then its pretty clear what the writers were trying to say in their usual "star trek" view of the universe. And, in that light, I agree with Islander....

Rob

 

[Tan Ru]

If anything I would say Harry Kim was gay for refusing sex with 7!

I don't know about being gay but definetely a moron in my book...

Wouldn't sex with Seven-of-Nine be like, dangerous?

You'd get like nanoprobes up your fun-stick and then be Borgified and be her bitch.

I got a feeling that Seven would be on top and you'd be Mr. Bottoms, totally.............

ouch....................

No thanks.

 

[RobertScorpio]

If anything I would say Harry Kim was gay for refusing sex with 7!

I don't know about being gay but definetely a moron in my book...

Wouldn't sex with Seven-of-Nine be like, dangerous?

You'd get like nanoprobes up your fun-stick and then be Borgified and be her bitch.

I got a feeling that Seven would be on top and you'd be Mr. Bottoms, totally.............

ouch....................

No thanks.

ummm...okay. Where do I sign up?

Rob

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

The Horta is asexual.

"NO FUCK I"

Is that a promise not to fuck us or a plea for us not to fuck it?

Bashir and (no, not Garak) O'Brien

Wut!?! O'Brien?!? No, he's probably borderline homophobic. Bashir, I don't know. He might be bi.

Yeah, my wife gets that vibe from Bashir. Women can 'sense' these things better than guys I think. She thinks Picard, Bashier, Garak, Dukat, 7/9, T'pol, Reed, Worf's son (as portrayed on DS9), Wesley, Jake, Q (even in Delancy form) Beverly Crusher, Troi are all bi..and some of them are closeted gays.



I asked her the question I had to ask...what about Morn?? She'll get back to me on that one. But definately the Horta.

Rob

Crusher and Troi both bi? Well certainly make those yoga/bonding/sex talk sessions more interesting.

Several characters in TREK's history (Garak--Dax--Intendant) and others, have appeared to be more open about their sexuality. Sure, Garak doesn't come right out and say it, but its there..we all see it. Jadzia may or may not be bisexual, but the slug inside her has to be, I guess, what, asexual, thus Jadzia does what she does with that in mind. Though, I guess, to become a host you have to be aware that these situations might happen...but these are some of the more obvious examples...

Were there other characters in the TREKVERSE (movies-TVS only) that you think put off that vibe. And this isn't an attack on that lifestyle at all. But most of these shows were done with censorship looking over the shoulders.

So where there characters, or moments, that you think slipped by the censors? I think of KIRK/JANET LESTER. Some of those scenes between Kirk (Janet Lester) and her friend, cant remember his name, are quite interesting when looking back at them, especially coming out of the late 60s. Odo/Laas is another.

Rob
Scorpio

Garak being possibly gay had more to do with the way Robinson initially played him. He subsequently toned it down somewhat when he found out a lot of people were getting that vibe.

 

[marylizz]

The Horta is asexual.

"NO FUCK I"

Is that a promise not to fuck us or a plea for us not to fuck it?

LOL. This made me laugh.