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The Sulaco (Aliens)

eklypse

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I've been watching the Alien series lately on bluray and have been wondering about the fate of the Sulaco. In Alien 3 it is seen ejecting the escape pod but not destroyed.

Assuming it wasn't destroyed, would it not have been a much better source for obtaining xenomorph dna since it had multiple eggs and the queen's residue from the dropship. It would be a hell of a lot easier than finding a few specs of blood from Fiorina 161.
 
I've been watching the Alien series lately on bluray and have been wondering about the fate of the Sulaco. In Alien 3 it is seen ejecting the escape pod but not destroyed.

Assuming it wasn't destroyed, would it not have been a much better source for obtaining xenomorph dna since it had multiple eggs and the queen's residue from the dropship. It would be a hell of a lot easier than finding a few specs of blood from Fiorina 161.

Alien 3? There was no Alien3, it went straight from Aliens to Alien; Ressurection whose storyline puzzled me a little (what's this fury thing they keep referring to? where'd this Ripley clone come from?) but was still quite entertaining.
 
While it's far from my favorite in the series, I like Alien3, especially the special edition.
 
I've been watching the Alien series lately on bluray and have been wondering about the fate of the Sulaco. In Alien 3 it is seen ejecting the escape pod but not destroyed.

Assuming it wasn't destroyed, would it not have been a much better source for obtaining xenomorph dna since it had multiple eggs and the queen's residue from the dropship. It would be a hell of a lot easier than finding a few specs of blood from Fiorina 161.

That's a valid point, but pales in comparison to the scientific quandry posed by the fourth movie. How you are supposed to get an Alien embryo out of a CLONED Ripley? /headdesk
 
That's a valid point, but pales in comparison to the scientific quandry posed by the fourth movie. How you are supposed to get an Alien embryo out of a CLONED Ripley? /headdesk
I think it's quite clear: they had a sample of Ripley's DNA infected with alien DNA, and they've tried growing clones again and again until they managed to produce two distinct creatures, a Ripley clone and an alien clone.
 
I think it's quite clear: they had a sample of Ripley's DNA infected with alien DNA, and they've tried growing clones again and again until they managed to produce two distinct creatures, a Ripley clone and an alien clone.

I'll have to watch it again, it's been years. As I remember it their intention in cloning Ripley was to get the embryo and the hybridization was an accidental side-effect.
 
If the Sulaco was off-course and its automated navigation systems offline it's entirely possible that even if Weyland-Yutani (or whoever) knew its location, heading, etc. that an intercept would've been impossible. Space is an awful big place, and there ain't no friction out there to slow it down.

I'm not quite sure I understand what the problem is.

Cloning someone is not going to reproduce the food they ate for breakfast.
 
When a person is infected by a facce hugger, it rewrites the victim's DNA so the host grows the alien inside, yes? We see this DNA exchange in Alien 3 when the alien is quadripedal after using a quadriped as a host, and in AVP when it takes on characteristics of the Predator.

So, if you get a DNA sample from an infected Ripley, then cloning her from that DNA will include the genetic code that grows the alien inside her.

Simply remove the alien and you have a Ripley ready to go. But, due to the cloning process, Ripley ended up with some alien traits.
 
Hey's we're talkings sci-fi reasoning within a sci-fi context. With ARMORED, ACID-BLOODED WALKING SETS OF JAWS that explode out of peoples' chests and grow without apparently eating anything. Disbelief, suspended! And enjoy the ride. :)

As for the Sulaco, I'm pretty sure the novelization had mentioned something about the xeno(s) that were tooling around the ship getting pretty angry for some reason, and the acid we saw in the film caused an electrical fire which in turn made the ship evacuate her passengers. The book did mention that multiple pods in fact ejected, and one or more accidentally collided back into the ship, which then continues on her random way, on fire and not mentioned again afterwards.

Mark
 
I'm still trying to understand how eggs got on the Sulaco in the first place since Ripley and crew didn't take any with them and the Queen was never shown to have any with her and her egg sack was long gone.
 
I'm still trying to understand how eggs got on the Sulaco in the first place since Ripley and crew didn't take any with them and the Queen was never shown to have any with her and her egg sack was long gone.

The egg thing was always a problem.

However, I'm more concerned with how they found time to give the Sulaco a respray.

Seriously, check the movies and in Aliens the lettering for U.S.S. Sulaco is black, but in Alien3 it's white.
 
We also never saw the queen on any model of the dropship, beacuse there wasn't one built. And yet somehow the big bitch squeezed herself into the exposed landing gear well which should have trouble fitting a human-sized tagalong, let alone a queen OR the warrior we saw at the top of Alien 3.

It's tough enough to rationalize the stylistic differences between the various films let alone the technical details. I just figured that somehow the queen, knowing her hive was about to go up, grabbed a couple eggs and stuffed them up her egg sac connection place while on the way out. Or, the unseen warrior was carrying them and placed them in proximity to the hypersleep capsules to activate them. Or, a facehugger unrelated to what we saw scurried aboard the dropship at some point (or were attached to the queen's backside) after popping out during Ripley's rampage. Or whatever. Point being, that at least one got aboard Sulaco and eventually got to Ripley (hell, the comics postulated that Newt was already hugged after she was taken, and an intermediate larval form of the alien left her when she drowned and entered Ripley at that point). That's all we were supposed to know.

Also, the Sulaco repaint was an accident. The model had already been repainted and shot as the Patna, the ship that brings Bishop and his pawns. When test audiences reported confusion as to what was going on at the beginning of the film (which was supposed to begin with the EEV crashing, and NOT showing the ship or accident at all), they simply hauled the model back out, stenciled "Sulaco" on the other side, and shot that without otherwise repainting it. That's how we got that really quick shot of the ship at the beginning of the movie, along with shots of the fire, capsules being trundled to the escape vehicle, and the jettisoning part.

Mark
 
The reason the Sulaco looked different between movies was because David Fincher liked Ridley Scott's aesthetics from the first movie better and had Cameron's designs replaced with something more Scott-like.
 
I've been watching the Alien series lately on bluray and have been wondering about the fate of the Sulaco. In Alien 3 it is seen ejecting the escape pod but not destroyed.
I've learned to love Alien³ on it's own terms over the years (the workprint/director's cut even more so) but man do I so hate the opening sequence. There are just too many leaps of faith that I am asked to make all at once for the sake of getting the plot moving down on the planet. Case in point: the computer says there's a fire... so what exactly was the point in maintaining an atmosphere capable of supporting a fire that could threaten the whole ship if the crew is frozen for the journey? Was the Colonial Marine Corps suffering budget cuts when the Sulaco was built and decide to skimp on a few things... such as a fire suppression system?

Assuming it wasn't destroyed, would it not have been a much better source for obtaining xenomorph dna since it had multiple eggs and the queen's residue from the dropship. It would be a hell of a lot easier than finding a few specs of blood from Fiorina 161.

Here's another leap of faith, but one I came up with on my own after hanging out with medical professionals over the last several years: It's highly likely that Clemens drew a few vials of Ripley's blood when she was first brought in so that he could test for diseases that might threaten the prison population.
Plus if the WY cleanup crew was any good at their jobs they would have found the corpse of the facehugger that arrived with Ripley, the corpse of the host (ox or dog, take your pick), and a bunch of dead prisoners covered in all kinds of forensic goodness... not to mention bits & chunks of the alien spread around the lead works. All that sounds like such a total jackpot to me that I have to wonder what all the fuss was over cloning Ripley.

When a person is infected by a facce hugger, it rewrites the victim's DNA so the host grows the alien inside, yes? We see this DNA exchange in Alien 3 when the alien is quadripedal after using a quadriped as a host, and in AVP when it takes on characteristics of the Predator.

So, if you get a DNA sample from an infected Ripley, then cloning her from that DNA will include the genetic code that grows the alien inside her.

Simply remove the alien and you have a Ripley ready to go. But, due to the cloning process, Ripley ended up with some alien traits.
It has been a long time since I forced myself to endure the fourth movie, did it outright state that the alien's DNA had mixed with Ripley's? If it didn't, I can understand how the audience might have inferred this to be the case given how genetics is treated in modern fiction. However, I strongly doubt that the alien facehugger or embryo would attempt to rewrite the host's DNA. Even if we assume that genetics will be the same for everything everywhere in the universe, mucking about with unfamiliar DNA could quickly lead to an nonviable host (ie, dead) which would be counterproductive to the aliens' reproductive needs. It already strains credibility that the alien is able to sample, decode, and incorporate the host's DNA within itself in such a short gestational period in order to fit in more readily in it's environment (not to mention how the parasite is able to feed off of and grow within the host as fast as it does without killing it before emergence). But given what we've seen on screen we have to take what we're given as is.

It seems much more likely to me that the embryo would take active steps in protecting itself from being fought off as an infection by the host's immune system, either by pumping the host full of some sort of immunosuppressant or by deploying it's own version of white blood cells to actively attack the host's. It is these compounds / enzymes / cells that could be found throughout Ripley's blood sample. Considering the amount of time that passed between the third & fourth movie there could easily have been degradation of the sample that caused everything to get mixed up leading the genetics team to make multiple attempts at separating & refining the DNA until they got an alien they were happy with - a viable Ripley clone was just a happy accident.

I'm still trying to understand how eggs got on the Sulaco in the first place since Ripley and crew didn't take any with them and the Queen was never shown to have any with her and her egg sack was long gone.
That, quite frankly, was the biggest pill for me to swallow. Not only did the queen sneak aboard a couple of eggs but she managed to stick them to the side of a cabinet or locker while nobody was looking - and I'm pretty sure Bishop would have been keeping an intent eye on her since he apparently had nothing better to do.
 
I tried to Google Alien3 but I keep getting these web messages from this firm called Lacuna telling me not to. Weird:confused::confused:
 
I think in the upcoming Colonial Marines game, the first part of the game involves boarding the abandoned Sulaco, so that's probably the best we're going to get in terms of a canon answer. :shrug:
 
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