Me too... that's why I was having such a hard time getting rid of them. 
The STXI Enterprise... REFIT!
- Thread starter MadMan1701A
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I think the best thing to do would be to put a pair of torpedo tubes on the underside of the primary hull below the ventral phaser banks like the original, and to leave either one or two torpedo tubes in the neck.
Now I'm warming to the single large tube again, but the idea to put extra weapon ports on the saucer, smaller TOS tubes might look nice as well. Call them blaset banks or whatever. I really liked the pop-up designs on the Kelvin, even if that would be out of date by this time...
Could have the ball-style phasers come out of iris hatches, maybe?
Moving parts do add extra coolness, as per the Rule of Cool.
Moving parts do add extra coolness, as per the Rule of Cool.
There is something that feels off about those pylons.
For some reason they don't quite mesh with the rest of the ship, IMO.
only thing i can add to this is : dont forget to add Aft Torpedo Launchers and Phasers
That goes without saying. There are renditions of the JJprise which have a pair of torpedo tubes in the undercut in the underside of the engineering section. I would suggest keeping this. A torpedo tube could also be added to the rear of the neck, though this would be more open to attack than the tubes in the undercut.
Torpedo tubes would be called torpedo tubes, and weapons ports similar to the hatches on the Kelvin or Perception would be a totally different thing. They can't be pop-up weapons, because you can't fit tubes in weapons that would be small enough to move like that. If torpedo tubes were hidden behind hatches, they might be more like the torpedo tubes on submarines.
I like the idea of extra weapons for point defense, though this does bring up the issue of why they didn't use these in the original timeline (and I mean around this point in time. I know that these obviously exist during other periods in time).
Something occurred to me looking at these latest renders.
If you showed both designs in the same quality (say, both would be renders of your own models) to anyone who isn't a fanatic, would they be able to tell you which one was the movie design and which the conjectured refit? That seems like something that needs to be a definite yes and right now I would doubt it. The nacelles seem like the easiest way to solve that similarity, since they still essentially look like the movie nacelles.
If you showed both designs in the same quality (say, both would be renders of your own models) to anyone who isn't a fanatic, would they be able to tell you which one was the movie design and which the conjectured refit? That seems like something that needs to be a definite yes and right now I would doubt it. The nacelles seem like the easiest way to solve that similarity, since they still essentially look like the movie nacelles.
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There is something that feels off about those pylons.
For some reason they don't quite mesh with the rest of the ship, IMO.
The tail of the secondary hull looks like it's drooping.
Hey Guys... sorry I've not been around. Not been feeling great, and been busy at the same time. Not a great combination.
That side ortho view isn't really my favorite angle... I think the pylons look better from the lower front, or the higher back. They'll look different when they get textured, too, of course.
Yep, the tubes are going to stay just dual launchers, in the neck there. I don't feel like the ship really needs 4 launchers in the front, does it?
The two launchers remain, in the the little notch in the undercut, and I'm going to be sticking some rear phasers on there, too. Probably not in the same places as they are on the original Refit, though.
Hmm... I think they look pretty different, side by side. I wonder if it's because everyone is quoting the older images from the thread? I did a comparison shot real quick...
Didn't we talk about that already?
Maybe some updates later today... I'm actually home sick today, so I might work on this a little in the afternoon.
Later...
-Ricky
That side ortho view isn't really my favorite angle... I think the pylons look better from the lower front, or the higher back. They'll look different when they get textured, too, of course.
only thing i can add to this is : dont forget to add Aft Torpedo Launchers and Phasers
That goes without saying. There are renditions of the JJprise which have a pair of torpedo tubes in the undercut in the underside of the engineering section. I would suggest keeping this. A torpedo tube could also be added to the rear of the neck, though this would be more open to attack than the tubes in the undercut.
Torpedo tubes would be called torpedo tubes, and weapons ports similar to the hatches on the Kelvin or Perception would be a totally different thing. They can't be pop-up weapons, because you can't fit tubes in weapons that would be small enough to move like that. If torpedo tubes were hidden behind hatches, they might be more like the torpedo tubes on submarines.
I like the idea of extra weapons for point defense, though this does bring up the issue of why they didn't use these in the original timeline (and I mean around this point in time. I know that these obviously exist during other periods in time).
Yep, the tubes are going to stay just dual launchers, in the neck there. I don't feel like the ship really needs 4 launchers in the front, does it?
The two launchers remain, in the the little notch in the undercut, and I'm going to be sticking some rear phasers on there, too. Probably not in the same places as they are on the original Refit, though.
Hmm... I think they look pretty different, side by side. I wonder if it's because everyone is quoting the older images from the thread? I did a comparison shot real quick...
Didn't we talk about that already?
Maybe some updates later today... I'm actually home sick today, so I might work on this a little in the afternoon.
Later...
-Ricky
I don't recall the droopiness issue coming up (so to speak). Then again, my memory ain't what it used to be.
Where was I? Oh yeah.
I thing I noticed was that it looked like the fore and aft sections of the ship drooped. I couldn't put my finger on it until this morning. It looks like someone lifted it up by the nacelles (Q maybe?) and, as a result, the ship is drooping.
It is probably an optical illusion based on the undecut on the ventral side of the ship. Not much you can do about that, excep that this is a refit, so maybe you can beef that part up a bit to compensate (I already hear the jokes coming - damn it, I did it again).
Then again you could just ignore me and move forward. I still like the ship (as I have with all your work thus far) and the work you have put into it shows your love of the subject.
As usual, YMMV.
Where was I? Oh yeah.
I thing I noticed was that it looked like the fore and aft sections of the ship drooped. I couldn't put my finger on it until this morning. It looks like someone lifted it up by the nacelles (Q maybe?) and, as a result, the ship is drooping.
It is probably an optical illusion based on the undecut on the ventral side of the ship. Not much you can do about that, excep that this is a refit, so maybe you can beef that part up a bit to compensate (I already hear the jokes coming - damn it, I did it again).
Then again you could just ignore me and move forward. I still like the ship (as I have with all your work thus far) and the work you have put into it shows your love of the subject.
As usual, YMMV.
That would be post 27 on page 2. I had the same sense of "droop" about the back of MadMan's refit. I felt that due to the spine being straightened and that large under cut, it looked as if the back half of the hull had melted a little. The nacelles make this worse due to their slight upslope. But I think your description descibes it better.
However MadMan's got a different take on thing's and as it is his design I respect that and can't wait to see what the model looks like once that new hull is textured.
By the way MadMan, hope you are feeling better.
Cheers,
S.O.
Hmm... I think they look pretty different, side by side. I wonder if it's because everyone is quoting the older images from the thread? I did a comparison shot real quick...
Other than the color shift they might as well be the same ship to the untrained eye. The front end of the engineering hull is about the only notable change, but because the saucer and nacelles are so big in comparison and have stayed 98% unchanged they overwhelm it.
I have to agree. From a mass audience point of view, the ships are pretty much identical. Especially at the angle above where the changes to the pylons and secondary hull are almost completely obscured.
This is more akin to the revisions between the original pilot Enterprise and the series Enterprise in my opinion. It doesn't go far enough to reach the TMP level of change.
This is more akin to the revisions between the original pilot Enterprise and the series Enterprise in my opinion. It doesn't go far enough to reach the TMP level of change.
The nacelles are further apart in the refit, but it does take a close look to pick that out.
Thanks... I'm starting to. Just having setbacks with my diabetes... probably going to have to change meds again.
Yay.
True... and that's kind of what I'm hoping for. And, since this is going to be the Proxima (or Pegasus... I keep going back and forth!) there's a change we'll see both ships at the same time, which should be neat.
True, but that was a refit too, right?
From the beginning, I never wanted to change the ship too much... my original goal was to change the secondary hull, and just the guts in the nacelle domes. I did experiment with some other nacelles, but I think I'm going to save them for another ship...
Yep, they're actually almost an entire nacelles width, farther out on each side. Doesn't look that different, unless you see both ships together. But, it does give the ship a wider stance, making it look cooler.
Didn't make it to any updates today, got buried in a book all afternoon.
-Ricky
Indeed -- check out some of Probert's TMP concept art for the photon torpedo tubes:
http://probertdesigns.com/Folder_DESIGN/TorpedoTubes.html
Hey guys... it's only been 4 months, right?
I was working on this tonight, after having a brainstorm. The idea was, what if I took the round fat STXI nacelles, and merged them together with the TMP style nacelles, and the Enterprise E's nacelles?
Obviously, the shapes are just roughed out, but I think the idea has promise... they have a distinct look, but continue with the fat nacelle idea from the STXI version.
What do ya'll think?
-Ricky
I was working on this tonight, after having a brainstorm. The idea was, what if I took the round fat STXI nacelles, and merged them together with the TMP style nacelles, and the Enterprise E's nacelles?
Obviously, the shapes are just roughed out, but I think the idea has promise... they have a distinct look, but continue with the fat nacelle idea from the STXI version.
What do ya'll think?
-Ricky
