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The Star Wars problem

CorporalCaptain said:
No, I'm not saying that at all. There are other factors that I grade films on.

TFA gets massive pluses just for having the OT actors and props, for instance, and that's a major thing bumping it up to where it's at on my list. The whole Ben/Leia/Han thing is, for me at least, the heart of the film.

While Daisy Ridley is great, Rey is unfortunately too much of a random element for me to care about at this point. That the Force is strong with her is really the main thing we know about her. Besides a lack of clarity about what the political situation in the galaxy is after the fall of the Empire, other things missing from TFA include greater clarity about what happened to Luke's Jedi school, who the heck Max von Sydow was playing, and, if there's any relationship between why Rey was left on Jakku and the destruction of Luke's school, not to mention also von Sydow's character maybe tying it all together, then all of that should have been stated in the film as well. For example, was Rey hidden on Jakku after Luke's school was destroyed to hide her from the Knights of Ren? Seems possible; if it turns out to be the case, that information should have gone into TFA.
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I'm pretty sure all of this stuff, except perhaps Lor San Tekka, will be addressed in the next two movies. These things were specifically being set up as mysteries that will be revealed throughout the trilogy.
Shinzon4u said:
This all applies to the PT though.
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Ok, I'm a big fan of the PT, but even I admit that the characters are the weakest part of the movies by far. I did like them enough to read some of the books and comics with them, but even that was more for the universe and the story, more than movies really making me want to see more of those characters. The PT characters are not even close to the OT or ST characters. I think I became more attached to Rey, Finn and Poe in the first half hour of TFA than I did the Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme in the entire 6+ hours of the PT.
 
JD said:
I'm pretty sure all of this stuff, except perhaps Lor San Tekka, will be addressed in the next two movies. These things were specifically being set up as mysteries that will be revealed throughout the trilogy.

Ok, I'm a big fan of the PT, but even I admit that the characters are the weakest part of the movies by far. I did like them enough to read some of the books and comics with them, but even that was more for the universe and the story, more than movies really making me want to see more of those characters. The PT characters are not even close to the OT or ST characters. I think I became more attached to Rey, Finn and Poe in the first half hour of TFA than I did the Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme in the entire 6+ hours of the PT.
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I disagree. TFA's characters are unengaging.
 
JD said:
These things were specifically being set up as mysteries that will be revealed throughout the trilogy.
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Yes, that's my actual criticism here. When I go to see a movie, I want to see a movie, not a bootstrap to a serial. As applied to SW, I appreciate the irony of what I said. Nevertheless, there's a certain minimal level of self-containment that I want in a film. TFA fell below that level for me.

Incidentally, shoving essential things out of the narrative is a criticism I have of the PT as well. Granted, that's not precisely the same things as shoving them out of the present film on the presumed promise of coming back to them in sequels, but it's similar. In the case of the PT, some of the slack was picked up in TCW.
 
MacLeod said:
For me what would have helped the PT is if the dialouge was a little sharper.
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For me, better dialog, acting, and pacing would have done a lot more to keep me interested in the PT. It's a shame because they had so much potential - I would say the biggest single weakness was dialog, with the rest close behind.
 
Jedman67 said:
For me, better dialog, acting, and pacing would have done a lot more to keep me interested in the PT. It's a shame because they had so much potential - I would say the biggest single weakness was dialog, with the rest close behind.
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Ironic considering that the most iconic line of dialogue in SW is straight from Lucas.

"No, *I* am your father."
 
Jedman67 said:
For me, better dialog, acting, and pacing would have done a lot more to keep me interested in the PT. It's a shame because they had so much potential - I would say the biggest single weakness was dialog, with the rest close behind.
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As I said earlier for me the biggest weakness was the dialouge. A good script can overcome defincies in other areas, but for example it doesn't matter how good your effects are if the script is poor.
 
Shinzon4u said:
As I've stated upthread, I think the romance is well done and is much less bog standard than Han and Leia's flirting.
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I know I said defending the prequel trilogy in every single aspect is a weird hill to die on but... this just takes the cake. :D
 
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