There's no problem with Scott's comment in "Relics". He just spent seventy-five years in a transporter loop. He was a bit scrambled.
The Star Trek movies that never got made
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There's no problem with Scott's comment in "Relics". He just spent seventy-five years in a transporter loop. He was a bit scrambled.
Surprising there isn't one. Phase II has a fairly large book dedicated to it.
There was one of those unauthorized books, called Lost Voyages of Trek and the Next Generation, which apparently talked about some unproduced movies, in addition to unproduced episodes. Not sure how good it was. But apparently it was originally published in 1992, so it's well out of date, anyway.
Nothing officially licensed, IIRC, though. Although I'd probably buy one if it was similar to the Phase II book.
Too bad they don't list sources for all their claims, because while I'm familiar with most of what they cite, a few things (the t-shirts) are not anything I remember. I've done a lot of poking around about Titans (which was officially Star Trek—The Motion Picture before Scott and Bryan left). The Den of Geek account is more or less accurate in the broad strokes, but makes the typical mistake of quoting a single source for some of its conclusions instead of noting that different versions of the events have been recorded in various interviews and articles over time.
So, what else in the epsiode did he then get wrong? 'cause I can't recall any other important details gotten wrong.
I can imagine being a bit foggy coming out of a 75 year transporter hibernation.
Though I can imagine you walking out of the theater, furious at the sheer incompetence of Braga and Moore for getting such an important detail wrong.
You know, I'm actually going to play devil's advocate here and go in to bat for the holo-Kirk idea.
Yes, on paper it sounds lame.
Yes, in context it feels like a rehash of Leah Brahms. Or maybe worse, like a reverse-engineered foreshadow of ENT's finale.
Maybe even the story feels not theatrical enough and too much like a hundred other bad script submissions that used to get rejected by the TNG writing staff every week.
*BUT*
That doesn't mean the idea is entirely without merit.
Firstly because it keeps the focus squarely on the new guys and relegates Kirk to a guest role -- which might have pissed off Shatner, and probably would have been rewritten at his insistence anyway, but could have been healthier to the story than having him steal time and oxygen away from the 'Hero Crew' like he did in the finished movie.
But maybe more importantly, it also means that one of the least satisfying things about 'Generations' -- the death of James T. Kirk -- would have been negated. After all, the Kirk in Hurley's script wasn't real, he was just the equivalent of Jean Luc calling up that old Windows paperclip to ask it how to format an Excel spreadsheet.
And let's be honest -- Jean Luc getting advice from holo-Kirk is barely less ridiculous than that prolonged scene where Two Captains make One Omelette.
( Maybe "Two Captains, One omelette " should've been the movie's real tag-line! 
)
Yes, on paper it sounds lame.
Yes, in context it feels like a rehash of Leah Brahms. Or maybe worse, like a reverse-engineered foreshadow of ENT's finale.
Maybe even the story feels not theatrical enough and too much like a hundred other bad script submissions that used to get rejected by the TNG writing staff every week.
*BUT*
That doesn't mean the idea is entirely without merit.
Firstly because it keeps the focus squarely on the new guys and relegates Kirk to a guest role -- which might have pissed off Shatner, and probably would have been rewritten at his insistence anyway, but could have been healthier to the story than having him steal time and oxygen away from the 'Hero Crew' like he did in the finished movie.
But maybe more importantly, it also means that one of the least satisfying things about 'Generations' -- the death of James T. Kirk -- would have been negated. After all, the Kirk in Hurley's script wasn't real, he was just the equivalent of Jean Luc calling up that old Windows paperclip to ask it how to format an Excel spreadsheet.
And let's be honest -- Jean Luc getting advice from holo-Kirk is barely less ridiculous than that prolonged scene where Two Captains make One Omelette.
( Maybe "Two Captains, One omelette " should've been the movie's real tag-line! )
Sorry to interrupt here, but I just had to pop my head into this thread to state that that is possibly the greatest analogy I have ever read on this forum.
That is all.
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I don't know if Holo-Kirk would have been all that bad. The Tholian Web tie-in feels a little weak though. It's way too cerebral for general audiences, as would be Picard and Kirk standing around having a chit chat.
Interestingly enough, in Diane Carey's novel, Ship of the Line, Captain Picard finds himself on Captain Kirk's bridge while killing time with some training programs during a long mission.
And, I'll be honest, those chapters are among my absolute favorite in any Trek novel I've read over the past 25 years. Carey really had her finger on the pulse of both characters and wrote them -- and their interaction -- perfectly.
It also helps (me, anyway) to understand how Captain Picard transformed into Action-Hero Picard by the time First Contact hit theaters.
Interestingly enough, in Diane Carey's novel, Ship of the Line, Captain Picard finds himself on Captain Kirk's bridge while killing time with some training programs during a long mission.
And, I'll be honest, those chapters are among my absolute favorite in any Trek novel I've read over the past 25 years. Carey really had her finger on the pulse of both characters and wrote them -- and their interaction -- perfectly.
It also helps (me, anyway) to understand how Captain Picard transformed into Action-Hero Picard by the time First Contact hit theaters.
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I'm still annoyed that they never made a DS9 movie, especially as the last episode left a dangling thread. That is, when the Prophets took Sisko, he promised he'd be back, though he couldn't promise exactly when. I suppose they could still do it fifteen years on, but I know it'll never happen.
