THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN: A fitting name!
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There's a difference in my view. What you are referring to, I like to think of as the nemesis - for Superman, it's Lex Luthor. For Batman, it's the Joker and so on. And for Spidey, it's Norman Osborn (and in a very soap-y sort of way Harry Osborn (he also fills in for the friend-turned-foe archetype)). By "evil counterpart", I meant more similar in terms of powers and skills except for the evil part. In this way, for Superman, it'd be Bizarro or Zod (has to be either Kryptonian or an alternate version). For Hal Jordan, it might be Sinestro (Both GLs, except one becomes evil). etc. I don't think there is a well-defined 'evil-counterpart' character for Batman. Hush might've been an attempt to do that.
Re Harry get bonded with the symbiote - it's an intriguing idea. Didn't they seem to be heading there at one point of time? When Harry is running a cafe or a diner and there seemed to be the possibility of bonding with a symbiote that had been rejected by Brock. Am I dreaming this?
The Goblin is sort of an evil counterpart, in that Norman was also a intellectual who gained his powers through a lab accident except he chose to use them purely for personal gain and no responsibility towards the rest of humanity.
Venom has the look and powers, but Peter's true opposites have always been Norman and Harry. Heck, they even showed in flashbacks that Norman also was "shaped" by his parents like Peter was by May and Ben: Ben and May taught Peter to be responsible and such (which he unfortunately learned through Ben's death) while Norman's father was the one who taught Norman it was justified for him to steal from others and be dominating and to have a "strong heir" (Norman's father tormented Norman the same way Norman did to Harry).
As for Harry, there was the "New Ways to Die" story but they decided just to give Brock new Venom-like powers.
Venom has the look and powers, but Peter's true opposites have always been Norman and Harry. Heck, they even showed in flashbacks that Norman also was "shaped" by his parents like Peter was by May and Ben: Ben and May taught Peter to be responsible and such (which he unfortunately learned through Ben's death) while Norman's father was the one who taught Norman it was justified for him to steal from others and be dominating and to have a "strong heir" (Norman's father tormented Norman the same way Norman did to Harry).
As for Harry, there was the "New Ways to Die" story but they decided just to give Brock new Venom-like powers.
You're correct about that. I completely agree with that assessment. In other versions of the comic, they've tried to stress the link even more - eg. in the Ultimate version, he gets infected at Oscorp. And then Norman gets infected when trying to duplicate what happened with Peter in a sense. Thus linking Peter's spider-powers with the "goblin powers".
Here, I tend to disagree a little bit. I'd say Peter has been shaped by May and Ben. However, the Spider-man side of things has been shaped by Uncle Ben's death and "the advice" from Uncle Ben. So, he was raised by good folks and was turning out ok, but the death of Ben Parker affects him.
To illustrate what I mean, I think of it as being more similar to Bruce Wayne who had his parents killed rather than Clark Kent (who's raised right by Jonathan and Martha Kent).
Btw, I haven't read those comics with Norman and his Daddy issues were covered. Are they available in a collection?
And back on topic (Sorry for the digressions) - I kinda like the title them for SSM - the initial lines somehow remind me of the "Spider-man, Spider-man, does whatever spider can" but then it kinda branches out with the "Spec-Ta-Cular, Spec-Ta-Cular" refrain which is very catchy.
Heck, the Ultimate version actually makes HARRY more of a parallel to Peter than anything else. Peter is accidentally bitten by a spider that had been deliberately altered by OsCorp's OZ formula and that makes him Spidey. Harry is than accidentally bitten/slashed/whatever by Norman/Green Goblin who was a human deliberately altered by OsCorp's OZ formula and this makes him the Hobgoblin.
So both are teenagers who are accidentally bitten by something deliberately created by OsCorp's OZ formula which results in their mutual mutations.
Someone is writing a fanfic now that's sort of a darker telling of the Spectacular Story with elements of other Spidey stories (Harry is a cooler, more athletic type that has an adversarial relationship with Norman, Gwen is a bit more cynical and darker, Brock apparently is a OsCorp operative) where the lab Connors works at is actually an Oscorp lab and not ESU.
So both are teenagers who are accidentally bitten by something deliberately created by OsCorp's OZ formula which results in their mutual mutations.
Someone is writing a fanfic now that's sort of a darker telling of the Spectacular Story with elements of other Spidey stories (Harry is a cooler, more athletic type that has an adversarial relationship with Norman, Gwen is a bit more cynical and darker, Brock apparently is a OsCorp operative) where the lab Connors works at is actually an Oscorp lab and not ESU.
On with season 2, true believers!
"Blueprints," written by Kevin Hopps, directed by Victor Cook: We start out with a shorter version of the title sequence. The music editing is a bit awkward. Also, Liz and Norman have been added to the "cast credits," and MJ's missing, even though she's in the episode. (Flash replaces Norman in the second episode tonight, so I guess it'll vary.)
Cool, a Stan Lee cameo! Looks like him, sounds like him, and is even named Stan. Kind of a goofy character, though. And isn't he a bit old to be a longshoreman?
A pretty believable handling of teen romance and the aftermath of a first kiss. I liked the writing in the scene with Liz talking about misdirection -- when she talks about how you pay attention to one thing when you should be paying attention to another, we see Peter paying attention to Liz and failing to notice Gwen behind him. Nice.
The Mysterio plot didn't do much for me. The technology behind his tricks was too magical and vaguely defined, and the robot bat creatures were way too comical and personified. The cool part was that the climactic fight sequence was pretty much an homage to the first Mysterio episode of the '60s Spidey series, complete with the saloon fight. Plus the ending. Not only is Quentin Beck now Mysterio, but he's working for the Terrible Tinkerer, and they're both working for the Master Planner! Whoa, that's going back a ways. Ooh, wouldn't it be cool if this Master Planner arc ended the way the original one did? There might be a considerable weight on Spidey's shoulders before much longer....
Plus we get a new character at ESU, Professor Miles Warren. He's a figure with some significance in Spidey's comics history too. And they've even acknowledged that there are two Warrens, Pete's high-school teacher and the professor. For decades, people have wondered if they were the same man. Now we learn that, at least in this continuity, they're brothers. (Come to think of it, maybe they were retconned into brothers in the comics.)
It's amazing how much they manage to fit into this show. And there's some great attention to detail in the visuals too. I loved the animation of Osborne peeling his hard-boiled egg. There was even membrane attached to the shell fragments, a very realistic detail.
"Destructive Testing," written by Matt Wayne, directed by Kevin Altieri: Wow, Kevin Altieri? He was one of Batman: TAS's two best directors, the other being Boyd Kirkland (who's now producing Wolverine and the X-Men). I haven't seen much of his work lately. And there was some excellent animation and direction here.
I like the continuity -- it's winter two episodes in a row. Most shows don't really keep that much track of the seasons, but they're paying a lot of attention to the flow of time here. Last season began at the start of the school year and ended a bit after Halloween. Now it's winter, presumably sometime in November, and it actually looks like a New York winter. Usually TV shows, especially cartoons, never show winter unless the story calls for it. But here, winter's got nothing to do with the stories; it's just part of the overall attention to detail. That's great.
The Kraven the Hunter part of the story wasn't too interesting; again, the villain of the week is the weak link. The interesting part was getting to see what Miles Warren is up to -- trying to resurrect Connors' mutagen, being willing to engage in human testing on Kravinoff for his own ends and his own profit. I wonder if he has a master plan beyond profit. And I wonder if it includes cloning. Though maybe that's a subject best avoided in a Spidey series...
I'm also unsure what's up with Calypso here, what role she plays and what abilities she has. I'm sure we'll find out more, since they're part of the Master Planner arc. And yes, even though MP's voice is distorted, I can recognize from the speech cadence that it is who it's supposed to be.
Spidey did have a couple of moments of awesome in his fights with Kraven. I loved the line about how Kraven might be big in the jungle, but on the New York superhuman scene, he was a rank amateur. And then there was his line in the second fight about "Who's the prey here?" If only he could be that confident with Gwen.
We also get Debra Whitman added to the cast, and like Liz and Ned, she's undergone an ethnicity change from the comics. Which is good, since this show's Gwen pretty much looks like the comics' Debra anyway, and the change makes it easier to tell them apart. So far we know nothing about Deb except that she exists, though. I wonder what they'll do with her. Peter already had a ridiculous amount of potential romantic interests -- I hope Deb serves another role here, as she did in the '90s animated series (where she ended up as Flash's love interest).
Speaking of Flash, that's quite a development, giving him a major injury and perhaps ending his football career. I wonder where they're going with that. It seems to be partly about complicating the thing with Peter and Liz, but I'm sure this show wouldn't gloss over the consequences to Flash.
Well, the new season's off to a good start. I'm glad to have the show back at long, long last. This show, and its move to Disney XD, was one of the main reasons I got digital cable, so I'm glad it's finally paying off.
"Blueprints," written by Kevin Hopps, directed by Victor Cook: We start out with a shorter version of the title sequence. The music editing is a bit awkward. Also, Liz and Norman have been added to the "cast credits," and MJ's missing, even though she's in the episode. (Flash replaces Norman in the second episode tonight, so I guess it'll vary.)
Cool, a Stan Lee cameo! Looks like him, sounds like him, and is even named Stan. Kind of a goofy character, though. And isn't he a bit old to be a longshoreman?
A pretty believable handling of teen romance and the aftermath of a first kiss. I liked the writing in the scene with Liz talking about misdirection -- when she talks about how you pay attention to one thing when you should be paying attention to another, we see Peter paying attention to Liz and failing to notice Gwen behind him. Nice.
The Mysterio plot didn't do much for me. The technology behind his tricks was too magical and vaguely defined, and the robot bat creatures were way too comical and personified. The cool part was that the climactic fight sequence was pretty much an homage to the first Mysterio episode of the '60s Spidey series, complete with the saloon fight. Plus the ending. Not only is Quentin Beck now Mysterio, but he's working for the Terrible Tinkerer, and they're both working for the Master Planner! Whoa, that's going back a ways. Ooh, wouldn't it be cool if this Master Planner arc ended the way the original one did? There might be a considerable weight on Spidey's shoulders before much longer....
Plus we get a new character at ESU, Professor Miles Warren. He's a figure with some significance in Spidey's comics history too. And they've even acknowledged that there are two Warrens, Pete's high-school teacher and the professor. For decades, people have wondered if they were the same man. Now we learn that, at least in this continuity, they're brothers. (Come to think of it, maybe they were retconned into brothers in the comics.)
It's amazing how much they manage to fit into this show. And there's some great attention to detail in the visuals too. I loved the animation of Osborne peeling his hard-boiled egg. There was even membrane attached to the shell fragments, a very realistic detail.
"Destructive Testing," written by Matt Wayne, directed by Kevin Altieri: Wow, Kevin Altieri? He was one of Batman: TAS's two best directors, the other being Boyd Kirkland (who's now producing Wolverine and the X-Men). I haven't seen much of his work lately. And there was some excellent animation and direction here.
I like the continuity -- it's winter two episodes in a row. Most shows don't really keep that much track of the seasons, but they're paying a lot of attention to the flow of time here. Last season began at the start of the school year and ended a bit after Halloween. Now it's winter, presumably sometime in November, and it actually looks like a New York winter. Usually TV shows, especially cartoons, never show winter unless the story calls for it. But here, winter's got nothing to do with the stories; it's just part of the overall attention to detail. That's great.
The Kraven the Hunter part of the story wasn't too interesting; again, the villain of the week is the weak link. The interesting part was getting to see what Miles Warren is up to -- trying to resurrect Connors' mutagen, being willing to engage in human testing on Kravinoff for his own ends and his own profit. I wonder if he has a master plan beyond profit. And I wonder if it includes cloning. Though maybe that's a subject best avoided in a Spidey series...
I'm also unsure what's up with Calypso here, what role she plays and what abilities she has. I'm sure we'll find out more, since they're part of the Master Planner arc. And yes, even though MP's voice is distorted, I can recognize from the speech cadence that it is who it's supposed to be.
Spidey did have a couple of moments of awesome in his fights with Kraven. I loved the line about how Kraven might be big in the jungle, but on the New York superhuman scene, he was a rank amateur. And then there was his line in the second fight about "Who's the prey here?" If only he could be that confident with Gwen.
We also get Debra Whitman added to the cast, and like Liz and Ned, she's undergone an ethnicity change from the comics. Which is good, since this show's Gwen pretty much looks like the comics' Debra anyway, and the change makes it easier to tell them apart. So far we know nothing about Deb except that she exists, though. I wonder what they'll do with her. Peter already had a ridiculous amount of potential romantic interests -- I hope Deb serves another role here, as she did in the '90s animated series (where she ended up as Flash's love interest).
Speaking of Flash, that's quite a development, giving him a major injury and perhaps ending his football career. I wonder where they're going with that. It seems to be partly about complicating the thing with Peter and Liz, but I'm sure this show wouldn't gloss over the consequences to Flash.
Well, the new season's off to a good start. I'm glad to have the show back at long, long last. This show, and its move to Disney XD, was one of the main reasons I got digital cable, so I'm glad it's finally paying off.
Wow, it's amazing to me that people in the US are only seeing those episodes now. I saw them like half a year ago.
In the comics, Calypso was a voodo priestess who manipulated Kraven's obsession of going after Spidey and later went on to go after Spidey herself in a similar fashion.
If you like the continuity aspect of winter twice in two episodes, then you'll love that the rest of the season follows suit. By episode 6 it's Christmas and then New Year. It's a very short space of time between episodes 1 and 13.
I can't believe the UK actually got this first. A true rarity.
I can't believe the UK actually got this first. A true rarity.
"Reinforcement," written by Andrew Robinson, directed by Mike Goguen:
Well, it looks like we get Christmas in episode 3 of the season, not episode 6. And the cameos from comics characters continue. In the first scene alone, we get Blackie Gaxton (who I think comes from a very, very early Doc Ock story) and Patch (who's Frederick Foswell in disguise in the comics -- I wonder if he will be here, since he didn't turn out to be the Big Man). Plus Dr. Kafka is back as not only Electro's therapist but Doc Ock's too.
And the Master Planner's being clever here --
Though it's questionable how clever it is to settle for another Sinister Six attack. There are more than six baddies, right? And why send them separately? How is that a better plan than all at once? (Unless MP is counting on the Inverse Ninja Rule.) Although given the "extractions" at the end, I suspect this was just phase one of the Master Plan.
Spidey burning his tongue and being unable to banter normally is hilarious. That's something that would be hard to pull off in comics. Plus it was cool seeing how much fun Sandman and Rhino had being partners again. And I love his defeat of Rhino. Grabbing that scuba tank in advance and saying "You're going to be needing this."
And Rhino's "I really hate you" reaction just before his downfall was a classic Yosemite Sam moment.
Things on the personal front are still complicated, but it doesn't feel like a soap opera. Not much to say here, since things only advanced a little bit.
Odd casting choice for Phineas Mason, the Tinkerer. He's played by Thom Adcox-Hernandez, who was Lexington, the youngest of Greg Weisman's Gargoyles. He has a rather high-pitched voice, kind of like John Fiedler. It makes the Tinkerer sound like a little boy or something. I'm not too fond of it.
Well, it looks like we get Christmas in episode 3 of the season, not episode 6. And the cameos from comics characters continue. In the first scene alone, we get Blackie Gaxton (who I think comes from a very, very early Doc Ock story) and Patch (who's Frederick Foswell in disguise in the comics -- I wonder if he will be here, since he didn't turn out to be the Big Man). Plus Dr. Kafka is back as not only Electro's therapist but Doc Ock's too.
And the Master Planner's being clever here --
he's really Doc Ock, but Otto is pretending to have renounced the crime game, and to give himself extra deniability, he sends the Six after himself and then "refuses" his own offer.
Spidey burning his tongue and being unable to banter normally is hilarious. That's something that would be hard to pull off in comics. Plus it was cool seeing how much fun Sandman and Rhino had being partners again. And I love his defeat of Rhino. Grabbing that scuba tank in advance and saying "You're going to be needing this."
And Rhino's "I really hate you" reaction just before his downfall was a classic Yosemite Sam moment.Things on the personal front are still complicated, but it doesn't feel like a soap opera. Not much to say here, since things only advanced a little bit.
Odd casting choice for Phineas Mason, the Tinkerer. He's played by Thom Adcox-Hernandez, who was Lexington, the youngest of Greg Weisman's Gargoyles. He has a rather high-pitched voice, kind of like John Fiedler. It makes the Tinkerer sound like a little boy or something. I'm not too fond of it.
I haven't seen all these but there's one with the supervillains teaming up and Kraven is some actual lion-man! When did that happen? Is that unique to the cartoon or did they do that in the comics too?
Except that they've now introduced Debra Whitman as a distinct character (and she's African-American in this version). So this version of Gwen is perhaps more influenced by Deb than amalgamated with her.
Another example of a merger would be Tombstone as the Big Man -- which is kind of a 3-way merger, since he's sort of a substitute Kingpin.
Tombstone's a strange case in that the other character he was merged with (Big Man) is actually in the show. Frederick Foswell was the Big Man in the comics, and Kingpin only came to power after Spidey took Foswell down.
Seeing how this version of Gwen doesn't seem to have much in common personality wise with comics Gwen (she really does act kind of like Deb Whitman, though she also seems like a softer and gentler take on Sam from Danny Phantom) I think it's safe to say that they re-conceptualized a lot of characters from the ground up. Sort of like how the James Franco version of Harry from the movies was one of the first LIKABLE Harry Osborns in Spidey-history.
Hell, I wouldn't mind if they used the Franco Harry as a template for him more often. Makes him less neurotic and whiny.
Seeing how this version of Gwen doesn't seem to have much in common personality wise with comics Gwen (she really does act kind of like Deb Whitman, though she also seems like a softer and gentler take on Sam from Danny Phantom) I think it's safe to say that they re-conceptualized a lot of characters from the ground up. Sort of like how the James Franco version of Harry from the movies was one of the first LIKABLE Harry Osborns in Spidey-history.
Hell, I wouldn't mind if they used the Franco Harry as a template for him more often. Makes him less neurotic and whiny.
^Well, reinterpreting Gwen is a good idea if you're going to make her a regular alongside every single one of Peter's other romantic interests. Let's face it, the most distinctive and noteworthy thing she did in the comics was dying. Before then, the only distinctive thing about her was that she didn't like Peter at first and needed time to get to know him. Once they'd gotten involved, though, she was pretty much just The Girlfriend, the blonde gorgeous Romita gal as opposed to the redhead gorgeous Romita gal.
Oh I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that when some of the bigger advocates say that "This series distills everything about each character" it's not quite true. Some of the characters have been re-conceptualized to their core, but it still works.
Though, I will admit some characters do come off as 2-D: Miles Warren for example is just a generic evil scientist, same for Doc Ock. Heck, even Norman is a little 2-D for being a bad dad/corrupt businessman with no love for his family from the very beginning. There's a reason they made Norman and Otto more sympathetic in the movies, it's because making them their pure evil selves from the comics (and this show) would've made their characters 2-D.
Though, I will admit some characters do come off as 2-D: Miles Warren for example is just a generic evil scientist, same for Doc Ock. Heck, even Norman is a little 2-D for being a bad dad/corrupt businessman with no love for his family from the very beginning. There's a reason they made Norman and Otto more sympathetic in the movies, it's because making them their pure evil selves from the comics (and this show) would've made their characters 2-D.
"Shear Strength," written by Randy Jandt, directed by Jennifer Coyle:
Aww, they reveal the Master Planner's identity at the very start of the episode? I mean, sure, the Master Planner's "secret" identity was exposed over 43 years ago in the comics, but still, it would've been nice to see a big reveal scene, maybe something where Spidey deduces his identity and calls him out. Well, we did get that scene, but only after the audience already had it given away. That's no fun.
I'm not convinced at the reasons for Gwen's abduction, either. Surely there are people in Homeland Security who have family members he could've abducted, people who already have clearance. A bit too much of a small-world thing going on here. And compared to the big one from the comics, any other "Gwen gets abducted by a supervillain" story seems a bit of an anticlimax.
Speaking of comics homages, I'm a bit disappointed in the way they handled the big "If This Be My Destiny" thing with Spidey trapped in Ock's collapsing undersea base. That was one of the great moments in the comics -- Aunt May's life depending on Spidey getting her the serum in time, Spidey trapped under this massive weight, making this big speech to himself about how a man must never give up. They tried to pay tribute to that here, but they didn't really do it justice. They took that great speech and condensed it down to one sentence, and the direction and music just didn't give it the sense of power and significance that the moment should've had. And its emotional and personal significance didn't seem as intense either. I mean, sure, Gwen's life was at stake, but that wasn't handled so well. It would've been okay if Peter's determination to push himself past his limits for Gwen's sake had made him realize she was the one he loved. Then it would've had an emotional payoff. Instead they undermine the whole thing by having Liz put the moves on Peter, and it just makes the whole homage feel as though it had no impact.
Maybe it's just because I liked that story in the comics so much, but this just feels like one of the few missteps this series has made. And the first time that their tendency to cram so many characters and subplots into the series has not worked out smoothly. Usually they manage to balance them remarkably well, but this time it just feels like the Liz romance is getting in the way.
On the plus side, the action animation is still superb. Spidey had some great moves during the sequence where he was chasing the van and Electro was firing at him (though all those explosions Electro set off made me think Spidey was being very negligent for not stopping to help the people that might've been in danger, and for putting others in danger by continuing the pursuit). And Peter MacNicol is doing a fantastic job as Doc Ock. I really loved his line reading when Ock abandoned the lair. It wasn't the kind of villain parting shot performance that you'd expect. He really sounded disappointed and weighted down by his failure, a very believable and humanizing reaction, but at the same time he still managed to sound delightfully malevolent and scary.
Speaking of cramming in characters, we get another one introduced here, demolition expert Morris Bench (played here by Bill Fagerbakke, another Gargoyles veteran). As fans of the comics (and the '90s animated show) know, Morrie Bench is
I wonder when and how that will come into play here.
Aww, they reveal the Master Planner's identity at the very start of the episode? I mean, sure, the Master Planner's "secret" identity was exposed over 43 years ago in the comics, but still, it would've been nice to see a big reveal scene, maybe something where Spidey deduces his identity and calls him out. Well, we did get that scene, but only after the audience already had it given away. That's no fun.
I'm not convinced at the reasons for Gwen's abduction, either. Surely there are people in Homeland Security who have family members he could've abducted, people who already have clearance. A bit too much of a small-world thing going on here. And compared to the big one from the comics, any other "Gwen gets abducted by a supervillain" story seems a bit of an anticlimax.
Speaking of comics homages, I'm a bit disappointed in the way they handled the big "If This Be My Destiny" thing with Spidey trapped in Ock's collapsing undersea base. That was one of the great moments in the comics -- Aunt May's life depending on Spidey getting her the serum in time, Spidey trapped under this massive weight, making this big speech to himself about how a man must never give up. They tried to pay tribute to that here, but they didn't really do it justice. They took that great speech and condensed it down to one sentence, and the direction and music just didn't give it the sense of power and significance that the moment should've had. And its emotional and personal significance didn't seem as intense either. I mean, sure, Gwen's life was at stake, but that wasn't handled so well. It would've been okay if Peter's determination to push himself past his limits for Gwen's sake had made him realize she was the one he loved. Then it would've had an emotional payoff. Instead they undermine the whole thing by having Liz put the moves on Peter, and it just makes the whole homage feel as though it had no impact.
Maybe it's just because I liked that story in the comics so much, but this just feels like one of the few missteps this series has made. And the first time that their tendency to cram so many characters and subplots into the series has not worked out smoothly. Usually they manage to balance them remarkably well, but this time it just feels like the Liz romance is getting in the way.
On the plus side, the action animation is still superb. Spidey had some great moves during the sequence where he was chasing the van and Electro was firing at him (though all those explosions Electro set off made me think Spidey was being very negligent for not stopping to help the people that might've been in danger, and for putting others in danger by continuing the pursuit). And Peter MacNicol is doing a fantastic job as Doc Ock. I really loved his line reading when Ock abandoned the lair. It wasn't the kind of villain parting shot performance that you'd expect. He really sounded disappointed and weighted down by his failure, a very believable and humanizing reaction, but at the same time he still managed to sound delightfully malevolent and scary.
Speaking of cramming in characters, we get another one introduced here, demolition expert Morris Bench (played here by Bill Fagerbakke, another Gargoyles veteran). As fans of the comics (and the '90s animated show) know, Morrie Bench is
the supervillain Hydro-Man.
Well, keep in the mind that the Master Planner's ID reveal in the comics itself wasn't a reveal either. We just saw Ock in his lab talking about how he was the Planner. There wasn't much a secret.
And yeah, I wasn't touched that much by the "If this be my destiny" thing either. Lacked a certain oomph, and them stretching out the High School Romance stuff with Liz did rob the ending of some force.
As for using Captain Stacy, it was just the usual comic contrivance. The series is already full of them but we just accept it.
And yeah, I wasn't touched that much by the "If this be my destiny" thing either. Lacked a certain oomph, and them stretching out the High School Romance stuff with Liz did rob the ending of some force.
As for using Captain Stacy, it was just the usual comic contrivance. The series is already full of them but we just accept it.
Bench was in this episode? Completely missed that. I think he was in one of the later episodes as well, along with a telephone call by someone to another villain we didn't get to see this year.
Harry Osborn in the Spider-Man films had a lot of characteristics that Ultimate Harry did. In fact Harry is being tutored by Peter in Ultimate Spider-Man and protects Peter from the jocks, Flash of course in particular. Harry in Spec seems a lot like Harry from the comics...
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