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THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN: A fitting name!

I was actually surprised they spoiled the mystery of the Goblin's identity so early in the episode. At one point Harry put the vial facing the screen and covering half his face. As we see that half through the vial it becomes the face of the Green Goblin. I actually agree with Norman's decision to keep Harry's "condition" quiet. If Tombstone, or perhaps Doc Ock, knew the truth then Harry would be dead meat.

On a related note: Can anyone tell me what happened after Spidey left the Osbourne's? My network screwed up, and it came back when John Jameson was inspecting the shuttle. Thanks.
 
Peter goes to school the next day, where he finds out MJ is now attending there and Gwen tells him that Harry is officially traveling abroad though she and Peter both know it's really so Norman can get him real help.

The last scene is Foswell and John looking over the shuttle, when John notices a black goo that moves for a second. Then instead of ending with the usual spidey face, it ends with the black goo taking over the screen.
 
I'm not sold on Harry being the Goblin; there are a bunch of little inconsistencies that don't add up (for example, last episode, after the Goblin uses the key-thingy to try and kill Octavius, Norman shows up seconds later with it in his hand; another is that, even in this episode, the Goblin is physically much taller than Harry), and, since the Goblin knew Spider-Man was headed to the Osborne house (since he thought Spidey was Norman), there was time for him to switch things up.

Peter's certainly getting more attention from the ladies now; MJ and Liz were both very impressed (Gwen is still a buzzkill; sure, she's got justification for being worried, but the general effect is that the character is never any fun).
 
I'm not sold on Harry being the Goblin; there are a bunch of little inconsistencies that don't add up (for example, last episode, after the Goblin uses the key-thingy to try and kill Octavius, Norman shows up seconds later with it in his hand; another is that, even in this episode, the Goblin is physically much taller than Harry), and, since the Goblin knew Spider-Man was headed to the Osborne house (since he thought Spidey was Norman), there was time for him to switch things up.

That's exactly my thinking. It's all very suspicious, even down to the way Harry struggled in the Goblin mask.

I liked the little nods to the comics, too. It's great that an episode featuring John Jameson started off with an image of a werewolf mask not unlike the character's Man-Wolf aspect. I also like the reference to the cover of Amazing #39.

Pretty clever episode.
 
I'm not sold on Harry being the Goblin; there are a bunch of little inconsistencies that don't add up (for example, last episode, after the Goblin uses the key-thingy to try and kill Octavius, Norman shows up seconds later with it in his hand; another is that, even in this episode, the Goblin is physically much taller than Harry), and, since the Goblin knew Spider-Man was headed to the Osborne house (since he thought Spidey was Norman), there was time for him to switch things up.

That's an interesting idea, but how would he have convinced Harry to think he was the Goblin and act accordingly?
 
That's an interesting idea, but how would he have convinced Harry to think he was the Goblin and act accordingly?
Harry doesn't think he was the Goblin; he doesn't remember any of it; it just looks like he was because he had the costume, was taking the drug, and had those little personality spasms; if my theory is correct, Norman just drugged him some more/messed with his head.
 
^^ As bad a parent that Norman is, would he actually go that far and drug Harry just to cover his own butt?
 
Okay, watching the preview again I can safely say that my idea for them adapting "Super John Jameson" is kaput. The symbiote is clearly in some kind of laser-guarded containment cell and it escape somehow (in a fight between Spidey and Chameleon no doubt). Meaning the NASA guys will find it and know what it is.

But then the questions rise that why will it be in NYC and not in some California lab, and why will no one suspect anything when they notice Spider-Man in a black costume the same time their specimen escapes?
 
Hm, they're following the movie precedent and using webbing and the standard spider emblem on the black costume, yet following the comics' color scheme of white eyes and emblem. Except they aren't just white, they're glowing.

Black Cat looks extremely young, but I guess they have to de-age her some to fit into the high-school cohort of Spidey/Peter and his friends. Still, she looks about 11 in that shot.
 
She's 19, apparently.

Which isn't much of a change seeing she was only like 22 when she first appeared.
 
And this Chameleon has something the Chameleon on the '90s series never had: a voice of his own (Steve Blum, who also did this show's Green Goblin). The '90s show's Chammy only talked when disguised as someone else, which was an interesting touch.
 
"Persona," written by Matt Wayne and directed by Victor Cook, is full of introductions. In just one episode, we get the black costume, the Black Cat, the Chameleon, Quentin Beck (Mysterio), Phineas Mason (the Terrible Tinkerer), and even Captain George Stacy, Gwen's father. Plus we get a whole developing arc with the symbiote, the setup for Eddie Brock's hatred of Peter, the beginnings of romance between Spidey and the Cat... it's amazing how much they fit into these episodes while still having plenty of imaginative action.

It's nice that they found their own variant of the symbiote/black costume story. They borrowed the John Jameson/space shuttle aspects from the '90s animated series, but otherwise it was handled in a distinctive way. I liked it that the symbiote was taken to a lab for study and then got out; I wish the third movie had handled it that way, providing a legitimate justification for Spidey and the symbiote getting together, rather than having it arbitrarily fall out of the sky close to him. And it nicely ties the black costume's origins together with Eddie's growing resentment of Peter. Although I'm not certain that's the best approach, because once Eddie bonds with the symbiote and gains its memories, won't he know that he was wrong about Peter failing to help during the symbiote theft? And wouldn't that undermine one of the basic reasons for his resentment? Well, we'll see how it plays out. I think Greg Weisman and his writing staff have more than earned my trust at this stage.

Tricia Helfer gave a very sexy performance as the Black Cat, doing as effective a job with her voice alone as she does with her whole body on Galactica. Just imagine the effect her come-ons are having on a 15-year-old kid. Not that she knows he's a kid; she assumes Spidey's overage. Although she did mention that she has a school locker, so she can't be much older; I read somewhere that she's 19 in this version. Still, there's a certain inappropriateness to the relationship she's aspiring to, and I'm wondering where they're going with this. Also, it's a bit much to throw Felicia into the mix so soon after introducing MJ (and with Gwen's feelings for Peter barely having been touched on, not to mention the whole Liz situation, if there is one). Sure, Peter Parker's life in the comics was very much a soap opera and kind of a wish-fulfillment fantasy, with all these hot babes and more falling for him, but it's the one thing about this show's deftly concentrated storylines that could really stand to be spaced out more.

I wonder what the scene with Aunt May swooning (and cooking like mad) was all about. Maybe they're setting up an illness for her, adapting one of her various near-death medical crises from the comics? Could they combine that somehow with the black-costume/evil-Spidey or Venom narrative? Yeah, I can see that, the costume making him more selfish and irresponsible while May needs him more than ever. We'll see.

(And in response to Anwar's wondering, Chameleon did have a Russian accent here, so he's probably Dmitri Smerdyakoff. Whether he's related to Sergei Kravinoff remains to be seen, since Kraven hasn't been introduced yet, of course.)
 
EDIT: Captain Stacy was first seen in "Invisible Hand" but wasn't identified. Peter does know him already (he has to, if he's known Gwen for a while).

I think that since this Brock is more like his Ultimate self, they may go for a combo of the ultimate and TAS symbiote: In Ultimate the symbiote didn't give Brock Peter's memories (of course that was because the one Peter was wearing was totally destroyed and Brock bonded to another sample) so if that happens here then Brock won't know Peter was really doing good, he'll think that he was using his Spidey ID to make money at others' expense.

Aunt May, some think that she's taken in Octavius as a boarder and the food is for his Sinister Six buddies.

The Master Planner story where May was sick is set for S2, so maybe this is setup.

...Or she saw Peter in the black costume through the window...
 
Aunt May, some think that she's taken in Octavius as a boarder and the food is for his Sinister Six buddies.

The Master Planner story where May was sick is set for S2, so maybe this is setup.

Oh, good thought. Yeah, "Group Therapy" is next week, isn't it?
 
Loved Black Cat's voice and was tickled to see Tricia Helfer in the credits, I thought she sounded kind of familiar but I couldn't place it. Speaking of familiar, I am a little tired of hearing Steven Blum nee David Lucas in everything. Not that he's bad, I love Spike Siegel and Roger Smith, but he's a tad overexposed and recognizable.

There was at least two callbacks to the movies in this episode with the kiss and Spidey checking his reflection, were there any more?
 
Not yet, since most of the other stuff of "Bad" Peter won't happen until the next two episodes.

But they did combine/lift some thing from TAS and the classic comic here: Spidey has been framed though in this version he's not as mad over it as he was in TAS (because Jameson didn't put a reward or hire bounty hunters) and they took the first Chameleon story where he framed Spidey as well.
 
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