The original series had a very memorable soundtrack. Should they reuse it for Trek XI? Or should they go with something else?
The Soundtrack
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I voted for an updated remix, sort of like what David Arnold has done for the Bond movies: kept the famous James Bond theme, and rearranged it so it sounds more modern.
there is room between 'remix' and 'all new'. and that is exactly where the soundtrack will be....just as Giacchino did with MI3
Aw. I was hoping for a clean slate - Giacchino's a talented enough composer to give us something really fresh and interesting for a change. But I guess musical homages are inevitable... the last great Trek score, for TMP, included a brief nod to the Courage theme in the 'Captain's log' segment.
I'd like such a similarly cursory notice.
I'd like such a similarly cursory notice.
Original with some new elements to build on the themes.
I'd honestly prefer that Giacchino creates all-new music cues for a new generation of Trek. Turn him loose and see what he comes up with. However, I could understand wanting to use a few of the musical cues and themes from TOS and the TOS films, so there will probably a few familiar bits in his score.
I woould like to hear something new, cinematic sounding, with melodies that make reference to TOS music. Kind of like TMP did, which I feel had the best soundtrack. But something new, not another rehash of the main TMP theme. I just watched TFF again and forgot they didn't even bother to compose new music. Awful.
The music is really important for the BIG movie feel. I think completely lifting the TOS music wouldn't be a good idea, as it's to TV-sounding. But certainly use elements.
The music is really important for the BIG movie feel. I think completely lifting the TOS music wouldn't be a good idea, as it's to TV-sounding. But certainly use elements.
well, star wars used the same theme too and I know you're right they are just being lazy. We're paying ten bucks, let's get a new theme for each movie although you can hardly do better than those two themes but who cares. Each movie should stand on it's own with it's own distinguishing and theme no matter how good it is. The incidental music for tff was beautiful as was the theme for the borg movie, too. What I don't want is sustained tv. music crap - a bunch of disrelated chords in no particular progression. A nice call to arms fanfare would be nice too. I just want it to be electifying. Something to bring the dead franchise back to life, you know like frankenstein. 
I would like them to come up with a new majestic, soaring score that is worthy of the material. Similar to what Eidelman did with TUC. However, I do think that they should use the fanfare and even some references to Goldsmith's TMP theme since they are so much identified with the emotional core of the Trek experience.
What I would be disappointed to see (or hear) is some electronic, techno "modern" ambient score that seems to be the norm for film scores these days. Most films today don't have clearly defined "themes" or leitmotifs anymore. Everyone in the world can hum the Superman theme, but can you hum the theme to Spider Man, or Batman Begins, or Transformers?
Also, I hope the composer is up to the challenge -- remember what happend when Dennis McCarthy composed the Generations score? TV composers work well for TV -- film composers are a different breed. I know Abrams is loyal to his collaborators, but I would have rather he hired James Horner, Howard Shore, or even John Williams.
What I would be disappointed to see (or hear) is some electronic, techno "modern" ambient score that seems to be the norm for film scores these days. Most films today don't have clearly defined "themes" or leitmotifs anymore. Everyone in the world can hum the Superman theme, but can you hum the theme to Spider Man, or Batman Begins, or Transformers?
Also, I hope the composer is up to the challenge -- remember what happend when Dennis McCarthy composed the Generations score? TV composers work well for TV -- film composers are a different breed. I know Abrams is loyal to his collaborators, but I would have rather he hired James Horner, Howard Shore, or even John Williams.
well the MI3 score is almost all new, as I suspect the new movie will be. But he also had a couple of moment where he brought in the classic MI music and I believe he will do the same with Trek.
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I liked the music in MI:3. Don't forget that Howard Shore and John Williams got started in television. I don't think that's any impediment for being able to do a movie score. In fact, in a lot of ways it unties their hands and allows them to write bigger scores with a deeper scope.
Has it been confirmed somewhere that Michael Giacchino is scoring the movie? I mean, we can all assume he will because of his association with Abrams, but I'm just curious if it's been definitely decided upon.
That said, I say the score should incorporate, at the very least, the Alexander Courage fanfare. That's the musical motif most identified with Trek, and not to have it would be an unfortunate omission. Aside from that, I'd be fine with something completely original. I don't necessarily need to hear a new version of the TOS or TMP themes, though if they decide to go in that direction, I hope it's done well. Giacchino did a good job incorporating the Mission: Impossible theme into his M:I:3 score, so it's certainly possible.
That said, I say the score should incorporate, at the very least, the Alexander Courage fanfare. That's the musical motif most identified with Trek, and not to have it would be an unfortunate omission. Aside from that, I'd be fine with something completely original. I don't necessarily need to hear a new version of the TOS or TMP themes, though if they decide to go in that direction, I hope it's done well. Giacchino did a good job incorporating the Mission: Impossible theme into his M:I:3 score, so it's certainly possible.
I'd like to see something like Ottman's soundtrack for "Superman Returns."
It's a solid soundtrack in its own right, but it keeps the original John Williams opening theme and then weaves other familiar tracks in and out of an otherwise original piece of work.
It stands alone, but evokes the emotions and the memories of the past in just enough measure to not be a retread.
It's a solid soundtrack in its own right, but it keeps the original John Williams opening theme and then weaves other familiar tracks in and out of an otherwise original piece of work.
It stands alone, but evokes the emotions and the memories of the past in just enough measure to not be a retread.
I actually thought that the only memorable parts of Ottman's Superman score were the John Williams themes.
The rest of that score seemed somewhat anemic to me when compared to the overall score Williams did for the 1978 movie. I can "hear" in my mind the incidental cues for the helicopter rescue and the villians march from that film, while the only muscial moment I retained for Ottman's original compositions was some varient of the X-Men theme during the airplane resuce in "Returns"
On the other hand, Goldsmith's scores for Insurrection and Nemesis, and even certain parts of First Contact were starting to feel a little tired. When he came back to compose TFF I felt that he did an amazing job re-working his older themes (the main title, the Klingon theme) while adding some great original cues (A Busy Man, The Mountain). For his work on the last two films, the body of the overall score seemed a bit repetitive and uninspired -- especially on Insurrection.
So I guess the best way to approach something like this is to find some kind of balance between old and new...
I agree, the original score needs to be a part of this show -- at least the theme, anyway -- but of course there needs to be new music composed as well. Given the general trend these days, there will probably be no opening credits sequence, so there won't be any use of the TOS theme as the opening. But I could see it being used quite effectively in the closing credits (the same way the James Bond Theme wasn't used in the reboot Casino Royale until the end, and as such it made a huge impact).
Cheers!
Alex
Cheers!
Alex
I tend to not really notice the music that much if it's not a tune I already know, so I guess all I really want is for the old, familiar themes to be worked in there occassionally, like in Superman Returns.
I think it would also be really nice if the theme song itself were played during or just before the credits, with or without monologue. (Though I bet a lot of fans will expect to hear the new actor's version of the monologue at some point. Hey, even Bakula did it once.)
I think it would also be really nice if the theme song itself were played during or just before the credits, with or without monologue. (Though I bet a lot of fans will expect to hear the new actor's version of the monologue at some point. Hey, even Bakula did it once.)
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The opening monlogue has been spoken to plenty of different orchestral pieces, though. The TOS and TMP themes for the TOS and TNG credits, and 'Archer's Theme' for that character's version. I'm sure it would work against yet another score, so long as that score is good... and yes, I'd like to hear the new Kirk's take on that classic monologue.
That approach suits me fine. The only thing I've watched I that Giaachino composed was for The Incredibles, and that had one of the best film scores I've heard in a long, long time. I guess the thing I'm most optimistic about is the film score, really - I can't wait to hear what he comes up with.
The opening monlogue has been spoken to plenty of different orchestral pieces, though. The TOS and TMP themes for the TOS and TNG credits, and 'Archer's Theme' for that character's version. I'm sure it would work against yet another score, so long as that score is good... and yes, I'd like to hear the new Kirk's take on that classic monologue.
That approach suits me fine. The only thing I've watched I that Giaachino composed was for The Incredibles, and that had one of the best film scores I've heard in a long, long time. I guess the thing I'm most optimistic about is the film score, really - I can't wait to hear what he comes up with.
Actually, what I meant was that it's more important to me, personally, to hear the original theme song. If nuKirk does the monologue on top of it, that's fine, too, but I just really want to hear the theme song at some point.
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