Changing the subject here slightly: does anyone know what class the Olympia was? Memory Alpha claims it was a reuse of the Enterprise wreckage from Search for Spock.
The Sound of Her Voice
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Agreed. The fact they didn't find out about her sooner is a major plot hole. Otherwise, it's quite a good episode.
Thank you! I was waiting for someone to agree with me!!
To be honest, the time lapse in the episode never bothered me- I liked the twist. The only that ever bother me was that no one ever looked up the Captain or her ship in the database!! What if it had been some elaborate Dominion ploy to capture the Defiant??
It could have been a secret mission. A future plot point for the DS9 novels maybe.
It was, although not enough of it to make it definitely a Constitution class from visual evidence. The class was never officially given.
Not looking them up in the database was plot error really. They should have found the ship even if not the mission. But it would have made the plot more complicated explaining the time difference ahead of finale.
Thank you! I was waiting for someone to agree with me!!
Sorry, Ro_Laren. I didn't even bother because I thought it obvious you were right.
To prevent such an obvious flaw in the plot would have required mention in Sisko's log of an exchange with the Jem'Hadar that had caused partial failure of the Defiant's main computer—one that affected her database significantly.
It might also be that the Defiant is fundamentally different from the Enterprise-D. Perhaps her smaller and more limited computer does not carry copies of 20th century pulp novels, or patterns for reproducing 16th century military clothing, or the complete list of all Starfleet vessels and their assignments?
One might then further argue that a ship escorting a convoy would not activate a datalink with Starfleet, and thus risk exposing the position of the convoy, to gain that missing piece of information.
Of course, that latter argument would be a bit on the weak side when the heroes have no qualms about loud two-way chatting with dead people.
Timo Saloniemi
One might then further argue that a ship escorting a convoy would not activate a datalink with Starfleet, and thus risk exposing the position of the convoy, to gain that missing piece of information.
Of course, that latter argument would be a bit on the weak side when the heroes have no qualms about loud two-way chatting with dead people.
Timo Saloniemi
The whole time twist thing (alliteration, huzzah!) was pretty lame. I think there should've been a twist but maybe a more realistic one. Such as the voice being an enemy of the Federation (Cardassian, Vorta or Changeling for example) deceiving the crew into thinking she was of Starfleet. Would've really a driven a point home in that here was a Starfleet unknowingly befriending an enemy. Would've raised the interesting question of what they would've done with her. Send her home? Make here a PoW?
The ending is certainly contrived; and while the alterations suggested here are certainly intriguing in a mind-bending sort of way I think ultimately the episode did get its point across; which was more about her interaction with the crew than the big reveal (which was really beside the whole point, narratively).
It may have been better off by dropping the time travel twist altogether, as the plot would have flowed just as smoothly with the captain dying naturally before they arrived.
It may have been better off by dropping the time travel twist altogether, as the plot would have flowed just as smoothly with the captain dying naturally before they arrived.
Why, Kegek ... you've improved your backhand.
I had no problem with that. Sisko ordered the Defiant to go faster and faster so the time of flight was changed. She had also been losing consciousness for hours anyways. It's not like one of those absurd situations in which the good guys disabled the bomb just as the timer clicks down to one. Besides this "just in the nick of time" events happens all the time in real life. During my undergrad years I regularly finished my Flight Dynamics homeworks about 10 minutes before class.
With proper cinematography this scene would've been wonderfully tear inducing.
God that sounds like your typical TNG episode. No thanks.
failing to discover a way, actually have to tell her she'd already been dead, in their timeline, for quite a while; and because of the war's demands, subsequently leave her behind to die alone.
Sisko being the bad guy again? I guess they couldn't do that to him again so soon after In the Pale Moonlight. Yeah that would've been very good drama indeed.
Overall I just didn't care for the twist at the end. Even with your additions I don't think it would've worked for me. I would prefer if the captain just died before the Defiant's arrival without the time warp gimmick.
Yep. My only gripe with the DS9 writers is that they took the dark aspect of the show too far at times. That's why Li Nalas, Aamin Marritza, Bereil and Ziyal had to die instead of just walking off camera and not being seen again. I know that death adds a more intense emotional element to the story but sometimes just roll the freaking credits.
Or what if they arrived in time but their analysis of the barrier indicated that it was a one-way trip, that ships get caught and can be pulled down but that no Starfleet vessel had the ability achieve orbit again? So they could send down whatever she needed for her continued survival but couldn't get her off the planet--ever.
Interesting thought.
That, though, would have allowed for the hope that technological advances as soon as the next day would have allowed her escape. It would have been a very Trek ending to have this occur ... then have one of the crew volunteer to go and keep her company.
That, though, would have allowed for the hope that technological advances as soon as the next day would have allowed her escape. It would have been a very Trek ending to have this occur ... then have one of the crew volunteer to go and keep her company.
As far as somebody joining her on the planet goes, the oft-used Trek plot device would be to have a shuttle set up to autopilot to a landing, and then somebody, knowing that might not work, would play hero, stealing the shuttle and taking it down.
I'm just guessing that someone typed "Google" into Google on the ships computer and blew the who database up so they couldn't check. Thats a dangerous thing to do.
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