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The Romulans are behind it all

Groppler Zorn

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Spoiler alert: this is a terrible fan theory. Don’t say I didn’t (say I didn’t) warn ya.

The premise: “future guy” from Enterprise was a Romulan. This was a fan theory at the time as I recall and may have been on the cards for ENT s5.

In the late 24th century Ambassador Spock’s reunification dissidents have gained support throughout the Romulan empire. They are becoming a serious threat to the stability and superiority of the Romulan ruling class.

The continuing committee of the romulan people order the Tal Shiar to produce a sleeper agent to be sent back in time (member when Geordi was a sleeper agent who was all “Manchurian candidate”? There’s precedent for the romulans doing this) to the mid 23rd century as a child who would then begin to alter history in favour of the romulan star empire.

This sleeper agent would target the family of Ambassador Spock. Romulan agents posing as Vulcans would ensure that a young girl would be rescued from a Klingon raid by none other than Spock’s father. This would either: push Spock and Sarek further apart making them more estranged (so Spock would never be encouraged to take part in the overture to peace with the Klingons) OR make Spock and Sarek closer so that Spock never felt he had to defy Sarek by going to Romulus in the first place.

The sleeper agent would be programmed to start a war at the binary star system and is seen to randomly land on a Klingon beacon, kill a Klingon soldier and attack her own captain of 7 years for no logical reason. Ultimately the federation war with the Klingons takes several random and odd turns (like it’s being manipulated from the future) and ends with L’Rell being installed as leader of the Klingon empire.

The sleeper agent proclaims that the Klingons have made the odyssey out of darkness into the light suggesting a less aggressive and more cohesive Klingon empire focused on self improvement rather than conquest.

All of this has two goals: 1) the Klingon empire is rendered weaker relative to the romulans. The romulans are therefore able to conquer the Klingon empire starting with the annexing of planets like Khitomer and Narendra III before taking advantage of structural weaknesses in Qo’NoS’ moon Praxis and destroying it, leading to the deadly pollution of the Klingons’ ozone. 2) Spock never becomes the prominent peacemaker with the Klingons because of 1) and the reunification movement is never allowed to threaten romulan society because the empire is much stronger than it was before the sleeper agent was sent back in time.

What other dastardly romulan programming is tucked away in the mind of Michael Burnham?

Ok I know they’re never going to do that, but cool twist, right?

Well, no. But let’s have some fun with it.
 
Executive producer Aaron Harberts:
"Romulan is a dirty word in the writers’ room right now because of where we are in the timeline. The sparks fly when the writers bring up the Romulans."
That language suggests they might have Romulans later on.

My guess is that they'll avoid sleeper agents in the future since they already have one as a main character. I do wonder to what extent they would include Spock in the story without having him on screen?
 
Executive producer Aaron Harberts:
"Romulan is a dirty word in the writers’ room right now because of where we are in the timeline. The sparks fly when the writers bring up the Romulans."
That language suggests they might have Romulans later on.
Seriously later on. As in, in ten years in-universe. I doubt DSC will even go so far, timeline-wise.
 
Executive producer Aaron Harberts:
"Romulan is a dirty word in the writers’ room right now because of where we are in the timeline. The sparks fly when the writers bring up the Romulans."
That language suggests they might have Romulans later on.

My guess is that they'll avoid sleeper agents in the future since they already have one as a main character. I do wonder to what extent they would include Spock in the story without having him on screen?

It's a dirty word because the show is set before Balance of Terror. Hence the comment on the timeline.
 
It's not at all impossible to have Romulans in DSC. And unlike the Klingons, they have the perfect opening; Physically, for all intents and purposes, they are indistinguishable from Vulcans. So once you've mastered the Vulcan logic act, it's absurdly easy to infiltrate an unsuspecting Starfleet as a sleeper agent. Maybe someone out on the Neutral Zone, working at one of those listening outposts. Maybe someone working security for the Vulcan ambassador. Get someone high enough up the food chain, and you can raid blueprints of the Federation's starship and weapons technology to your heart's content. Who knows, you might even make Admiral.

The trick is to let the audience, and not Starfleet, know that they're there. And then let them get away with whatever they're doing, scot(t) free and undetected.
 
I'm pretty tired of the "canon violation" pretense. It's such disingenuous bullshit and one of the big reasons I think the series is in desperate need of new leadership.

Rommies are awesome. If you want Rommies, do Rommies.
 
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My personal Fanon is that Vulcan and Romulus have been engaged in a secret cold war from the time of the split to the time of TOS season 2. The Earth/Romulan War was their version of Vietnam, with Earth being North Vietnam and Romulus being the USA (or Russia and Afghanistan with the Romulan being the Russians, the Afghans being Earth, and the Vulcans being Americans).
 
That language suggests they might have Romulans later on
I’d put money on them having the romulans at some point

it's absurdly easy to infiltrate an unsuspecting Starfleet as a sleeper agent.
Exactly. Starfleet had a century of silence with the Klingons and look how unprepared they were for that. It’s been the same if not longer with the romulans - starfleet has probably forgotten they exist at all

No, not unless they do something so Kirk and crew never know.
Which they already did with the mirror universe. Starfleet command could just declare the romulans “super duper top secret classified” and canon is untouched probably
 
With Kurtzman in charge I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a "big twist" grand finale akin to Lost (which so successfully made me feel like I'd wasted 121 hours of my life) but I'm not sure how Trek can pull off such a monumental fail.

I guess the worst they can do is "shockingly reveal" they were an alternate timeline to TOS all along, which will infuriate about four people.

Prove me wrong, Kurtzman. Make me mad.
 
I guess the worst they can do is "shockingly reveal" they were an alternate timeline to TOS all along, which will infuriate about four people.
Not me, if they want to make DSC alternate universe canon I'm all for it, but as long as they don't say so I'll consider it canon.
 
With Kurtzman in charge I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a "big twist" grand finale akin to Lost (which so successfully made me feel like I'd wasted 121 hours of my life) but I'm not sure how Trek can pull off such a monumental fail.

I guess the worst they can do is "shockingly reveal" they were an alternate timeline to TOS all along, which will infuriate about four people.

Prove me wrong, Kurtzman. Make me mad.
If it turns out that the “shocking reveal” is that Burnham is a timetraveller sleeper agent from the future sent back by romulans to create an alternate timeline that DSC exists in I want a credit as a creative consultant.

:guffaw:
 
The premise: “future guy” from Enterprise was a Romulan. This was a fan theory at the time as I recall and may have been on the cards for ENT s5.

The fan production Horizon also had Future Guy as a Romulan who had survived the destruction of Romulus. However if there had been a season five Brannon Braga was going to reveal that Future Guy was Captain Archer.
"I thought the most interesting idea that we came up with [regarding the identity of Future Guy] was that it was going to be Archer himself. And an Archer from some sort of terrible future where he, in some way, was responsible for doing something wrong, but he's manipulating himself. And if you go back and look, it could very well have been Archer." Braga also expressed disappointment at never having gotten a chance to establish that Future Guy was really Archer and to have Archer transform into this other persona, traveling to the 29th century (which Braga reckoned had been discussed by the makers of ENT). ("In Conversation: Rick Berman and Brannon Braga", ENT Season 1 Blu-ray special features)

My own fan theory is that Future Guy was using spore based technology to transmit his image through time and space. The special effect that we see in the Discovery spore chamber is not unlike that which surrounds Future Guy. Are those blue spores around him? :shrug:

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Having Future Guy be a Romulan or Archer would be interesting, but I think that the reason why Future Guy is always in silhouette is because he is transmitting from a dark room, due to his sensitivity to light. Yeah, that's right people. Future Guy is Lorca. :rommie:
 
Brannon Braga was going to reveal that Future Guy was Captain Archer.
That would have been cool. And was foreshadowed at the start of s2 where Archer used Silik’s room to get back to the 22nd century!

Future Guy was using spore based technology to transmit his image through time and space.
...and he systematically ensured that spore technology was eradicated from the timeline so that nobody else could use it to transmit their image through time and space - which explains why we never see it again.

Micdrop.
 
However if there had been a season five Brannon Braga was going to reveal that Future Guy was Captain Archer.

That was Braga retconning on twitter 7 years after the series ended - and 8 years after he and Berman lost control of the show to Coto. Berman and Coto (and Braga himself up until those 2012 tweets) said they never worked out who future guy was, he was forced on the show (along with the whole temporal cold war arc) by the network, and one possibility was that they'd make him a Romulan.
 
Gotta admit, I kinda like the idea of Archer being the Future Guy.
 
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