Don’t really have the words to describe how I feel about this, but it was similar to how I felt when the first OTOY video showing Spock dropped, i.e., a big lump in my throat, tears in my eyes…you get the picture. I don’t know how you do it, @Jules/OTOY, but I wish modern Trek had 1/100th of your talent as well as your understanding of what TOS was actually about.
Spoilers The Roddenberry Archive brings every iteration of Star Trek’s USS Enterprise bridge to life
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No offense, but it's quite clear that there's no consensus as to whether updated TOS sets (not reimagined like SNW) would be believable or not. I personally think they'd be just fine. Every Trek fan understands the retro nature of TOS. And for anyone who is a casual viewer, I would doubt that sets that resemble TOS would actually turn them away from watching the show. Because it's not about the sets. It's about the story.
Hope OTOY is able to make everything they're aiming for. It's amazing to think that as awesome as "Unification" is, it could just be scratching the surface of what is possible, and this very well could be just the first 15% or so of their plans.
When Scotty stepped into the Holodeck, I doubt that a single viewer thought it was lame. I think they could tweak the visuals of the tech slightly, while remaining larger consistent.
My objections tend to be more about the capabilities of the tech and the visuals of the ship's exterior rather than the aesthetic of the interior.
This is a little odd, since it's sort of out there in the Prodigy: Protostar game albeit in lesser quality. Someone on this site managed to get it working in Gmod.
It applies to ENT, too, since it also appears more advanced than TNG, a series set 209 years after ENT. Starfleet's technological evolution was handled perfectly from TOS/TAS/TOS-M/TNG/DS9/VOYTNG-M, with no issues presented. The only outliers are series attempting to be prequels, but consciously making the wrongheaded decision to "advance" the technology (a problem seen all throughout the Star Wars prequels).
Yeah, that's my angle too. Other sci-fi franchises manage it without mass walkouts. It's always the story and the strength of the characters that count.
But I won't push it anymore. If other fans think the whole thing needs a 2020's redesign, then that's cool too.
For me, the Enterprise refit was perfection. No matter how cool any updated design, it will always slot in below that in my view. It perfectly walked the line between realism, futurism, functionality, and the submarine in space aesthetic that I love about Star Trek.
Every writer and designer should be told, 'Think submarine in space,' before any ideas go down 'on paper' IMO. Submarines don't do hairpin turns, they don't ignore gravity, density, or atmosphere, they don't ignore the laws of physics (they work withjn the confines of their own fictional laws of physics), and they don't have unlimited stores of energy to perform magical feats at will.
Opinions vary on redesigns. Subject to those things, I am fairly happy to accept them, but would it kill them to do tweaks on Federation ships rather than complete redesigns?
Yeah, the refit is unbeatable. I don't know if they realise what they had created in the late 70's, but the ship earned that extra-long shuttlepod inspection in TMP. Perfection.
In regards to impractical ship movements, nothing comes close to that moment the Enterprise rose up behind the Reliant. It didn't need to be anything fancy, it just needed to steal the scene, and it certainly did that.
Anyone see this:
What do you think of the analysis?
In what way? What made ENT "more advanced"?
I have not watched it all. Prefer others to comment before I do.I don't think I can sit through forty minutes of those dudes. How 'bout some bullet points?
I skimmed. They're going into detail (which is nice) with direct comparisons between Real Shatner and OTOY Shatner.I don't think I can sit through forty minutes of those dudes. How 'bout some bullet points?
The OTOY presentation is great and is quite the achievement. But this is not 1994 brought back to life. Really the more I see of this the more amazed I am with Witwer's performance.
Wise choice.I don't think I can sit through forty minutes of those dudes. How 'bout some bullet points?
Because ENT looks like a show with production values of the 2000s rather than the 1960s. Where TOS had computer monitors that for the most part featured static images of space nebulae, ENT would feature LCD screens all across each with their own animated videos depicting graphs, numbers, etc. It just seems “more advanced” because production values have drastically changed between the four decades.
I think ENT does a great job of trying to showcase a bridge station that looks like something set after the 21st century but before the 23rd. It’s a tight rope I think they managed to walk.
Then there’s TNG which was very forward thinking with its touch screen monitors that manages to still look futuristic to this day, though the show still has anachronisms like subspace video featuring analog static, the same way TOS featured subspace radio with static that sounds no different from AM radio.
I think ENT is the closest representation of near-future space travel. Look at the ISS: it has the same visual aesthetic and isn't sleek. It's practical. By TOS technology has gotten practical enough everything is clean and smooth, and by TNG controlling the ship is handled well enough they can focus on making everything user friendly.
Think this evolution as ENT -> TOS -> TNG:
EDIT: The original shuttle cockpit almost looks out of the movie era: https://www.aviationexplorer.com/cockpit_photos/space_shuttle_cockpit.jpg
Sure. So if TOS had more animated displays then it would look as advanced as ENT?
Looking at the above examples of real spacecraft, the earlier cockpits have more "production value". You get rid of the content on the screens and the Dragon looks about as advanced as Forbidden Planet.
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