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It was also a fan film
Is it really though?

I'm not saying it's canon, but it's officially licensed. I don't think I can call that a "fan film" and more than I could use that term to describe assorted promotional videos, the videos from the Star Trek Experience, assorted video games, or the VCR Interactive Board Game. (You know, the one where Robert O'Reilly says stuff like "If you think this is a fan film, experience bIj!")
 
Is it really though?

I'm not saying it's canon, but it's officially licensed. I don't think I can call that a "fan film" and more than I could use that term to describe assorted promotional videos, the videos from the Star Trek Experience, assorted video games, or the VCR Interactive Board Game. (You know, the one where Robert O'Reilly says stuff like "If you think this is a fan film, experience bIj!")

It looked like a professionally produced fan film. Maybe it isn't and I don't know what a "Fan Film" is, but I saw this thing get really deep praise and I don't know if I would go that far. It was nice for what it was.
 
Is it really though?

I'm not saying it's canon, but it's officially licensed. I don't think I can call that a "fan film" and more than I could use that term to describe assorted promotional videos, the videos from the Star Trek Experience, assorted video games, or the VCR Interactive Board Game. (You know, the one where Robert O'Reilly says stuff like "If you think this is a fan film, experience bIj!")

There's a blurred line somewhere there. I feel like say, the novels are just fan fiction with a Paramount label slapped on them.

To me this is a fan film that had the blessing of Paramount. It probably helps to have the Roddenberry name attached.
 
There's a blurred line somewhere there.

Agreed, although I generally draw the line based on writer/producer autonomy.

If the IP owner and its agents directly commission the work and have at least some veto power over the content then it's "licensed media", though its canonicity is still up for grabs.

If the IP owner and its agents have no direct involvement in the work and the private writer/producer/production team are acting autonomously, then it's "fan fiction/film" and definately non-canon even if I want it to be.
 
Agreed, although I generally draw the line based on writer/producer autonomy.

If the IP owner and its agents directly commission the work and have at least some veto power over the content then it's "licensed media", though its canonicity is still up for grabs.

If the IP owner and its agents have no direct involvement in the work and the private writer/producer/production team are acting autonomously, then it's "fan fiction/film" and definately non-canon even if I want it to be.

This would fall more under your fan fiction label... the IP owner and it's agents really had nothing to do with this. They just allowed to it happen. Paramount didn't commission any of this. The Roddenberry Archive is not really affiliated with Paramount beyond the organic relationship it would have through some of the people who work on the Roddenberry Archive also working for/with Paramount.

This is really just a case of Roddenberry and Co. saying "we want to make this", and Paramount saying "Yeah that's cool with us." To bring up perhaps a sore subject, it's like, the exact OPPOSITE of the handling of something like Axanar, which was basically "Fuck you Paramount, i'm making this AND i'm gonna make money off it." which... didn't end well.

It's possibly somewhat more of a gray area due to CBS/Paramount having set firm guidelines for what a "Fan Film" is and can be... Unification does not meet that criteria, as it uses professional actors and quite a few people who have worked on Star Trek.
 
I wouldn’t call it a fan film either. Too many parties involved to not call this an official work.

Whether it’s canon or not… I don’t think that really matters. Maybe they can revive Short Treks and include it in the lineup and there you go.

I didn't think about the short trek angle but you are right. If there is something I wish was brought back its the short trek format. They can serve as a prequel to section 31 or academy or just expand on things the regular series doesn't have time for. It would also be nice with long hiatuses.
 
This would fall more under your fan fiction label... the IP owner and it's agents really had nothing to do with this.

Isn't Rod ultimately the owner of the "core IP", the trademarks at least?

Obviously Paramount own the copyrights on the specific series and movies that they produced.
 
Isn't Rod ultimately the owner of the "core IP", the trademarks at least?

Obviously Paramount own the copyrights on the specific series and movies that they produced.

I don't believe Rod actually owns anything. Gene didn't even own the rights since I believe 1982. It's why he kind of ended getting shut out of TNG and the movies at some point... he was just an employee at that point.

Rod is in a similar situation as George Lucas to Star Wars. He owns nothing... but the company may keep him around and let him do stuff, weigh on things, etc.

In the end, the canonicity of this problem doesn't really matter... I can't see a time when where anything produced specifically in canon would broach any of this. Spock is dead, we dealt with that already. Star Trek in general has been pretty clear about not bringing Shatner back as Kirk. This is one of those things that could be canon, could be not, it really doesn't matter.
 
It looked like a professionally produced fan film. Maybe it isn't and I don't know what a "Fan Film" is, but I saw this thing get really deep praise and I don't know if I would go that far. It was nice for what it was.

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It's definitionally not a fan-film. Like, it's a film made by fans, but that's getting into the idea that, I don't know, Deep Space Nine is a fan-film when Ron Moore slipped in a mention of kivas and trillium, or Enterprise is a fan-film when Doug Drexler did, well, anything. This is an official authorized Star Trek product produced under license from Paramount Global, the corporate entity that is the legal owner of the intellectual property that makes up the concept of "Star Trek," subject to approvals, fees, and other whatnot. That doesn't make it canon, that's reserved for first-party stuff made directly by Paramount (or CBS, or Desilu, or whatever name the corporation is operating under this year), but it also doesn't make it a fan-film.

There's a blurred line somewhere there. I feel like say, the novels are just fan fiction with a Paramount label slapped on them.

To me this is a fan film that had the blessing of Paramount. It probably helps to have the Roddenberry name attached.

That's the whole thing, though. Calling this a fan-film, or the novels "fan fiction with a Paramount label" is like saying marriage isn't real, it's just fornication with paperwork. Different things mean different things. Even if the novels aren't canon, they're still subject to Paramount's authority and approval; they can't just do whatever they want, Paramount has people whose entire job is to go over all the Star Trek novels (and comics, and video games, and technical demos for the Octane real-time rendering software) and give the thumbs up or thumbs down on whether they adhere to the fundamentals of the Star Trek brand and advice/orders on how to be appropriately Star-Trekky when they step out of line.

For example, let's say OTOY and the Archive decided that it'd be a good idea that, in accordance with Gene's ideas about future social mores, everyone in the park except Kirk should've been stark naked. Paramount's licensing rep in charge of the RA's deal to make Star Trek stuff would've gotten the script or outline or whatever and said, "Nope, we a bunch of naked people standing around is not in keeping with what Star Trek is and is harmful to our brand, given that this is freely available and not on a premium paid service, and it's specifically evoking a very family-friendly era of the franchise which minimized nudity, profanity, graphic violence, and so on."

And the RA would say, "Okey-dokey, everyone's wearing clothes, great note, that was a silly idea," or they'd say "No way, man, Gene wasn't about the censors, he was about naked people in public parks in the future, we're doing our own thing," and then Paramount would say, "Great, but you're going to be doing it without the words 'Star Trek' in the title, the names 'Kirk' and 'Spock,' and any recognizable visual elements that make up the concept of 'Star Trek,' or else we have the right to shut you down, hard."

Fan fiction (or fan films) just start from that last sentence and hope they don't become a big enough fly to be worth the trouble of swatting. It's a totally different reality from being licensed.
 
I also pictured it as a long-duration intergalactic explorer, hence its size and and longevity. It's taking the idea of a generation ship and just made it go further. The Universe class is more than a name, it's a mission statement.
Yes. This is what I'd like to see in another Trek. Another jump at least a couple hundred years in the future. Inter-galactic travel, etc. Daniels and temporal war stuff maybe, but that could be retconned into something different so don't even need to feel bout the Burn, etc.
 
Compare the love and attention to canon in this short film to, say, the short SNW comedy film about Tribbles. Being canon does not mean they are faithful to canon. This film was lovingly slavish to canon and it's a beautiful thing.
 
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I can't! It's like hearing the melody going out of tune in a song, the disharmony is blatant and off-putting.
 
It’s even more disheartening for me seeing the fans that look at this and what they get out of it is “that means I can see my heroes more in future films/TV! They should make more Star Trek just like this!”
I was already seeing people on Twitter and even here that were reacting with "this is the TRUE TREK, not that watered-down woke joke on Paramount+!"

Look, this is a technological achievement that rightly deserves all the accolades, but it's a short film fer chrissakes. It's a curio. This is not something that is a bellwether for Star Trek going forward, nor should it be.

Compare the love and attention to canon in this short film to, say, the short SNW comedy film about Tribbles. Being canon does not mean they are faithful to canon. This film was lovingly slavish to canon and it's a beautiful thing.

So what? These short films are all based on non-canon novels and comics. They're just working those elements around to fit with the other produced TV series and films. The "precious canon" is not an argument to whether something means anything. "The Way to Eden" is canon, but it's a turd of an episode.
 
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