The Rihannsu novels would make great JJ Trek movies!

[Vicki]

Compelling female lead, LOTS of action!

JJ and the writers have said they're looking at old filmed Trek for possible ideas.

How can we get them looking at these excellent books?

Not going to happen.

I don't know what JJA will do, but I guarantee this cast will be the central focus of whatever it is. He's not going to follow the reboot of Kirk & Spock & McCoy & Enterprise 1701 with a movie based on the Romulans.

 

[indranee]

I agree. the focus will be the regular cast. they're gold.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

They can still "play" it with a focus on the "main cast", if they choose to. I simply want to see something more than another "madman" villain. Ael is a complex, multi-faceted character and an excellent foil for Kirk.

 

[Vicki]

They can still "play" it with a focus on the "main cast", if they choose to. I simply want to see something more than another "madman" villain. Ael is a complex, multi-faceted character and an excellent foil for Kirk.

What you're describing sounds like an excellent basis for a weekly series.

STXI+1 won't have time for ~anything~ complex and multi-faceted. For better or worse, Trek is now a big budget summer movie series with fresh Trek in a single two hour chunk every couple of years. That has a huge effect on the kind of stories they can tell.

To do this story justice would take major screen time away from the core cast. The tipoff for me is that you described someone other than the core cast as a lead. I don't care how interesting a given antagonist might be, I'd much rather see Kirk playing off Spock and McCoy.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

What you're describing sounds like an excellent basis for a weekly series.

That would be even better, but as long as Les "I hate Trek" Moonives is in charge at CBS...

STXI+1 won't have time for ~anything~ complex and multi-faceted. For better or worse, Trek is now a big budget summer movie series with fresh Trek in a single two hour chunk every couple of years. That has a huge effect on the kind of stories they can tell.

If that's true then the future doesn't look too good. Trek is and always has been a franchise that SAID something. Even where you had a nemesis/adversary they weren't evil for "evil's sake".

The existing fanbase turned out for this one and seems to have given it a pass on the paper-thinness of it's plot and adversary. Sooner or later (I suspect sooner), they are going to want weightier fare.

If JJ's team doesn't deliver, they'll start leaving again, and I don't think that the "mainstream" audience was big enough to put XI in the blockbuster catagory on it's own.

To do this story justice would take major screen time away from the core cast. The tipoff for me is that you described someone other than the core cast as a lead. I don't care how interesting a given antagonist might be, I'd much rather see Kirk playing off Spock and McCoy.

Why can't we have both?

 

[RobertScorpio]

What you're describing sounds like an excellent basis for a weekly series.

That would be even better, but as long as Les "I hate Trek" Moonives is in charge at CBS...

STXI+1 won't have time for ~anything~ complex and multi-faceted. For better or worse, Trek is now a big budget summer movie series with fresh Trek in a single two hour chunk every couple of years. That has a huge effect on the kind of stories they can tell.

If that's true then the future doesn't look too good. Trek is and always has been a franchise that SAID something. Even where you had a nemesis/adversary they weren't evil for "evil's sake".

The existing fanbase turned out for this one and seems to have given it a pass on the paper-thinness of it's plot and adversary. Sooner or later (I suspect sooner), they are going to want weightier fare.

If JJ's team doesn't deliver, they'll start leaving again, and I don't think that the "mainstream" audience was big enough to put XI in the blockbuster catagory on it's own.

To do this story justice would take major screen time away from the core cast. The tipoff for me is that you described someone other than the core cast as a lead. I don't care how interesting a given antagonist might be, I'd much rather see Kirk playing off Spock and McCoy.

Why can't we have both?

Ummm....I disagree. Paramount could hardly care or not if TREK' fans showed up to this new movie. And yes, the 'normal' people (non-fans) who went to this movie are who made it the big hit it was. When I was seeing it my third-fourth times, it was quite clear that TREK fans were not making up large parts of those crowds..who was? FAMILIES. And I was thrilled that many of them were YOUNG families, and even more so that they were, at least in san diego, largely made up of hispanic fans.

As for the paper-thin plot? The plot was PERFECT and should be used as a template. JJ got it right..and he got it right big time.

Rob

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Ummm....I disagree. Paramount could hardly care or not if TREK' fans showed up to this new movie. And yes, the 'normal' people (non-fans) who went to this movie are who made it the big hit it was. When I was seeing it my third-fourth times, it was quite clear that TREK fans were not making up large parts of those crowds..who was? FAMILIES. And I was thrilled that many of them were YOUNG families, and even more so that they were, at least in san diego, largely made up of hispanic fans.

As for the paper-thin plot? The plot was PERFECT and should be used as a template. JJ got it right..and he got it right big time.

Rob

So you are perfectly content with a paper-thin plot (full of contrivances, I might add) and a stock villain with carboard cut out motivation?

Whatever happened to demanding something MORE from Trek? Wasn't the big complaint against the TNG movies that they were paint-by-numbers actioneer films with no subtance or importance?