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The Return

ThunderAeroI

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Granted I have not read the novel and only the wiki entry on the plot but is the book as conviluded as the plot summary on wikipedia is?

THe plot seems to tie so much together I was half expecting kilrathy (sp/) to be exploded by kirk as well.
 
I think so, yes.

When it came out I was all wanker for it, being a hugh Kirk fan and all but, as time has passed, and I've gotten over his death, I have to admit it wasn't that great a story. Imo.
 
Its professionally published fan-fiction. Recall finding it entertaining when it came out, but it did get bogged down by all the continuity checks. On the other hand, it was also much better than Ashes of Eden. After reading that the only reason I picked up The Return was because the cliffhanger at the end was pretty good at hooking me.
 
I had the opposite reaction. "The Ashes of Eden" was excellent. "The Return" was okay, but Kirk wasn't really Kirk in that one at all; he was more like a Borg killing machine.

"Avenger" was unforgivable, with yet another resurrection of Kirk's corpse, and this is the one who become Picard's buddy in six more sequels!
 
A matter of taste I suppose, but its also been ages since I read either of them. I might think differently now. But it did seem like Ashes of Eden and the Return were by two completely different authors in a lot of ways.

Ugh! Avenger was awful. Having enjoyed The Return I picked up Avenger when it came out and was massively disappointed. That was the last Shatnerverse book I read. I don't suppose they improved after that?
 
To expand a little on my dislike of Avenger... I think the appeal of The Return was that it gave Kirk a better send of, a more meaningful death, than Generations did. There was no need for another resurrection at all. If Shatner wanted to do more Kirk novels he could have written about adventures of Kirk and crew between STV and STVI. The idea of Kirk still alive and kicking in the 24th century is just silly. I mean, I have some issues with the fact that other authors have Uhura and Chekov still alive and active in the 24th century, though to be fair I haven't yet read those books so I'll reserve full judgement on that. It just seems like nearly the entire TOS crew has somehow survived into the next century. Granted McCoy was seen as alive during Encounter at Farpoint, but he was also incredibly elderly.
 
EliyahuQeoni said:
A matter of taste I suppose, but its also been ages since I read either of them. I might think differently now. But it did seem like Ashes of Eden and the Return were by two completely different authors in a lot of ways.

They were probably conceived and developed quite differently. When they first came out, the promotion seemed to indicate that the Reeves-Stevens' contribution was adapting the novel to create the graphic novel, and then Shatner did an interview where he described how he wrote both "TekWar" and "Star Trek": narrating the action scenes and dialogue into a personal voice recorder while he went about his daily life, then having the manuscript typed up by a secretary, then polished by a pro author, then revised by Shatner, etc.

Certainly, both "Ashes" and "The Return" were movie pitches Shatner had made. The "fountain of youth" planet idea pre-dates ST V, and "The Return" was his desperate pitch to revive Kirk after "Generations".

Ugh! Avenger was awful. Having enjoyed The Return I picked up Avenger when it came out and was massively disappointed. That was the last Shatnerverse book I read. I don't suppose they improved after that?

Again, patchy. "Spectre", from memory, was excellent! It kicks off a three-part Mirror Universe saga and has lots of familiar and inevitable Mirror participants. "Dark Victory" also moves swiftly and has a great surprise twist, but this is totally messed up in "Preserver", which just meanders around, and seemingly dumps a major guest antagonist halfway through the novel.

The next three, the "Totality" saga of "Captain's Peril/Blood/Glory", are okay but have a huge emphasis on the Kirk/Picard mateship throughout. What works really well is a flashback sequence to the 5YM, and that told me that maybe Shatner should have set the whole trilogy in that era, instead of trying to shoehorn another set of Kirk stories into the 24th century.

The real-life sudden death (by accidental drowning) of Shatner's third wife caused him to do a major rethink on the plot and so he incorporates his own grief into the storyline. It all becomes rather sadly self-indulgent, of course, and no one writing these books seems to be very sure about who or what Kirk and Teilani's hybrid offspring should be like.

I've bought, but not yet read, "Academy: Collision Course" but most reviews seem to think it's a well-named novel.
 
JoeZhang said:
I looked to buy one of the shat books and it was $16.99 - as an ebook! WTF????

That should only be "Academy: Collision Course", the current hardcover, because the other nine are all in MMPB now.
 
MMPB = mass market paperback, i.e. a standard-size paperback like most novels as opposed to larger trade paperbacks.
 
I guess I could get it from somewhere else but frankly it's too much of a hassle to constantly register for different ebook sites... which is why I got A Burning House instead.
 
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