The Return of Data? (spoilers)
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Mentioning Q, could he not turn up and even turn Data into a real boy?
Doesn't really matter what the method is. Another resurrection would suck. I'm massively against the return of Trip and I think that was handled terribly. Nice book, terrible idea.
The death of Data is a huge loss to the books, because I think TNG books may be a bit thin on interesting characters (although I haven't learn of the new people yet). Geordie is boring, Wolf won't get any development time (he's already been set back a lot just being put back into TNG) and who really gives two hoots about Pichard and Crusher getting it on? Data was the only one who could add some depth but I don't want to see another fan-appeasing rebirth.
Doesn't really matter what the method is. Another resurrection would suck. I'm massively against the return of Trip and I think that was handled terribly. Nice book, terrible idea.
The death of Data is a huge loss to the books, because I think TNG books may be a bit thin on interesting characters (although I haven't learn of the new people yet). Geordie is boring, Wolf won't get any development time (he's already been set back a lot just being put back into TNG) and who really gives two hoots about Pichard and Crusher getting it on? Data was the only one who could add some depth but I don't want to see another fan-appeasing rebirth.
Not only that, Data's death pains me every time I think of Jeffery Lang's Immortal Coil and the how set up at the end about the potential of Data's long-term future is now squandered. 
I just cannot see Data being intact after the explosion, short of intervention by a vastly superior being.
Such as Q? Data did save his life once. Q might return the favor and resurrect him.
Or how about this: Juliana Tainer (Data's 'mother') builds another android. She gets B4 to offload his memories of Data into this new android. Bingo: another Data. (Or perhaps she still has one of B4's other two 'brothers' still lying around which she could use for this purpose. I'm assuming B4 is one of the three 'early prototypes' that Juliana and Dr. Soong built before Data or Lore)
^ As I said in a different post, my take on it is that the three prototypes known to Juliana were B-1, B-2 and B-3. Juliana and the three inert prototypes are all referenced in the novel "Immortal Coil".
I wouldn't expect the three prototypes to be any more advanced than the B-4.
I wouldn't expect the three prototypes to be any more advanced than the B-4.
I do not believe the latter, but Q would be a stretch, since he paid Data back with temporary emotions, AFAIR.
Data travels into the future, builds another one of him, and then erases his memory before returning into the past where he belongs... Or sends back the fake.
Besides, Bicentennial man, Data had to die to prove his humanity.
Although like McCoy Holding Spock's Katra, surely B4 is just a poor functionary device even if he can store Data's "engrams" that if those "engrams" were transfered to a significantly more advanced host...
Besides, Bicentennial man, Data had to die to prove his humanity.
Although like McCoy Holding Spock's Katra, surely B4 is just a poor functionary device even if he can store Data's "engrams" that if those "engrams" were transfered to a significantly more advanced host...
I assume that B4 is one of the prototypes just because his name seems like a typical Soong joke - "B4 = before".
Yes, I don't think we can assume that "B-4" represents the fourth android of that type. After all, B-4 seems far, far too crude to be the fourth prototype if Lore was the fifth. I think it's far more likely that he was the first of the three prototypes Julianna was aware of, and that his name was a pun, "B-4" as opposed to "after."
If the "4" had any literal meaning, it could be that there were three earlier prototypes that were not humanoid androids, but may have been cruder nonhumanoid robots, or perhaps just programs running in a computer.
Maybe Soong was a fan of Lost in Space. The robot there was referred to once or twice as a model B9, as a play on "benign." In fact, I seem to recall hearing that the B-4 character in NEM was originally going to be called B-9. Or maybe I'm misremembering.
If the "4" had any literal meaning, it could be that there were three earlier prototypes that were not humanoid androids, but may have been cruder nonhumanoid robots, or perhaps just programs running in a computer.
Maybe Soong was a fan of Lost in Space. The robot there was referred to once or twice as a model B9, as a play on "benign." In fact, I seem to recall hearing that the B-4 character in NEM was originally going to be called B-9. Or maybe I'm misremembering.
No, you're not misremembering. B-4 was originally named B-9 but in the middle of the production, they changed it, much to my chagrin.
Although that doesn't fit with "Immortal Coil", which was the point I was making.
B-4 was deactivated, disassembled and packed for shipping to the Daystrom Institute for further study
Didn't we already know that in Articles of the Federation?
And why the hell are we using spoiler code in a thread with the word "spoilers" in the TITLE?
Because it's a spoiler related to a recently released book in a thread that doesn't directly concern that book.
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