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very true...
very true...
The Return of Data? (spoilers)
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Only in Wrath of Kahn did they show janitors cleaning the floors of Starfleet as Kirk passed by.
Maybe they do some kind of barrium sweep and clean the whole ship all at one time. Ever wonder why they eliminated yoemen by TNG's era? Or did they? They use to do the grunt work of cleaning the ships.
Maybe they do some kind of barrium sweep and clean the whole ship all at one time. Ever wonder why they eliminated yoemen by TNG's era? Or did they? They use to do the grunt work of cleaning the ships.
^^A yeoman wouldn't do cleaning duty. A yeoman is a specialist who does secretarial or clerical duties. Cleaning would probably be done by a maintenance technician or boatswain's mate.
KRAD said:
^ It's not just the mention of the book's poor sales, but also using that as a justification to disregard my work. Didn't exactly fill me with warm, fuzzy feelings, y'know?
Keith, perhaps this will re-fill you with said feelings: At the law school at which I teach, our head law librarian asked for recommendations for fiction about law to add to the library. I recommended Herman Wouk's wonderful Inside Outside...and Articles of the Federation. {ProfJonathan}
That's great! Thanks so much.....
Data's death was honorable and sad and frustrating. However, I don't think it was necessary. They could have borrowed the idea from Bicentennial Man and made Data mortal so Spiner could continue to play him (if that's truly the reason he wanted to quit). They could slip in the line, "Andrew Martin would be proud" to pay homage to the movie. Or, if Data was still obsessed with becoming completely human as possible without giving up his immortality, they could create an aging chip that could be undone whenever he wants (e.g., when his human friends die). I think there were many ways to keep Data alive. I find his death as unnecessary as Trip's.
Now with Trip, B&B were simply drooling to kill someone off. They could have made his death an honorable, believable, and meaningful one if they wanted to, but they couldn't write a good death scene to save their lives. That death needed to be undone. At least Data's death did something.
But still, I know death is supposed to have all those gnawing emotions, but why do we have to go there, especially with a character that is so loved? (We saw the progress of Data as it was brilliantly presented in "All Good Things..." and think about how much further Data could have gone.) I know the argument against this, and I understand, but I don't agree with it. I would rather continue the exploration of Data's life rather than deal with his death. Since in fiction we have a choice, I would chose the former.
Now with Trip, B&B were simply drooling to kill someone off. They could have made his death an honorable, believable, and meaningful one if they wanted to, but they couldn't write a good death scene to save their lives. That death needed to be undone. At least Data's death did something.
But still, I know death is supposed to have all those gnawing emotions, but why do we have to go there, especially with a character that is so loved? (We saw the progress of Data as it was brilliantly presented in "All Good Things..." and think about how much further Data could have gone.) I know the argument against this, and I understand, but I don't agree with it. I would rather continue the exploration of Data's life rather than deal with his death. Since in fiction we have a choice, I would chose the former.
Or rather, to pay homage to the 1978 Isaac Asimov novella and the 1993 Asimov/Robert Silverberg novel on which the 1999 movie was based.
In fact, the TNG episode "Inheritance" contained a throwaway line about Data being designed to simulate aging. When they discovered that Julianna was an android, Geordi said, "She not only ages in appearance, like Data, her vital signs change too." But this was forgotten by the time of the movies.
But how do we know the aging issue was the only reason Spiner wanted to leave the role? Few actors are content to play a single role forever. Maybe Spiner just wanted to move on and play different parts, to end one phase of his career and begin another. He's certainly got a right to do that. And given how the movies completely dropped the ball on Data's character growth after GEN, I can't blame him for deciding there was no future for the character.
^ In fact, I seem to recall speculation after First Contact was released that the purpose behind cutting off half of Data's face was to set up the transition to a new actor for the character: the difference in their appearance could be written off as due to the new facial synth-flesh. Evidently, that was either entirely fan-based speculation, or Spiner decided he still had it in him. Frankly, if the rumour is true, I wish they had gone with it. While I enjoy Spiner as an actor, his performances in Insurrection and Nemesis don't equal out the loss of the character for all posterity.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Interesting rumor about recasting Spiner after First Contact. I never really liked Spiner, and as an Enterprise fan, the trilogy with him kind of rubs me wrong because of him. Recasting him as Data would have been fine with me.
But even if they didn't plan to recast him for possible projects after Nemesis, I still find killing Data off pointless.
Maybe thsy could have gotten that little dude who likes to collect things to get his hands on Data again, lock him up, and say, "you're never leaving...not this time." Then we know he's alive with the possibility of him being able escape or be resuded some day, but also know why he isn't around.
Who knows? That could have happened. We didn't actually see Data blow up, did we?
But even if they didn't plan to recast him for possible projects after Nemesis, I still find killing Data off pointless.
Maybe thsy could have gotten that little dude who likes to collect things to get his hands on Data again, lock him up, and say, "you're never leaving...not this time." Then we know he's alive with the possibility of him being able escape or be resuded some day, but also know why he isn't around.
Who knows? That could have happened. We didn't actually see Data blow up, did we?
Um...Zac Quinto?
^ BrentMc specified "Old Spock", based on information that Leonard Nimoy will appear as the older Spock (in a framing story, perhaps?). Syler remains, of course, 'new Spock'.
Fictitiously yours, TrentMc Roman
Fictitiously yours, TrentMc Roman
I find it funny that they cast the "mind-meld whore" with one who plays a "mind-eater" in another show. Perhaps Hiro should travel to the future and warn Kirk about this...
Sylar doesn't eat brains!!! 
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Wouldn't Nimoy then be Spock Classic?
^^Not to mention Zefram Cochrane, T'Pau, Naomi Wildman, and the many faces of Tora Ziyal. Among others.
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