Plus the Excalibans are, y'know, rocks.
Klingons killed their gods.
The klingons sure like to think so.
But faith drives their lives to a very large extent - all the Sto'vo'kor, etc beliefs.
The klingons killed nothing; they merely stroked their ego.
Being atheistic does not preclude having mysticism, mytholgy, superstition or beliefs in an afterlife (or at least a process by which such things as joy and suffering are sorted out). mysticism, mytholgy, superstition or beliefs in an afterlife (or at least a process by which such things as joy and suffering are sorted outObviously who are what is a god can be a messy affair, but I don't see why the veneration of Kahless would be much different than of Buddha.
Well, maybe not Buddha, but l can think of a few religious figures that wouldn't blush compared to Kahless...Maybe Buddha didn't set the pattern for Earth tyrannies?I don't see why the veneration of Kahless would be much different than of Buddha.![]()
As an atheist, I wish that was true. But atheism is not necessarily based on rationalism. I know atheists who believe in ghosts.Actually, as per the definition of the concept, being atheistic DOES preclude having mysticism, mythology, superstition or beliefs in an afterlife - unless they are proven and not based on faith .
All the data the Excalibans had about Kahless came form Kirk and Spock's memories. Not exactly unbiased sources.
All the data the Excalibans had about Kahless came form Kirk and Spock's memories. Not exactly unbiased sources.
Correct. Then it was Federation propaganda at the expense of the Klingons?![]()
How does that prove anything? People get married by Elvis today. I'd imagine in Star Trek getting married by a minister would be about the same thing.Kassidy mentioned her dad wanting her to be married by a minister so... they're still around even if not given the spotlight, I'd say.
I just picked up a book at the library dealing with the religons of Star Trek. There was a lot of religous beliefs during all of the series. TOS had tons of religous references in it and dealt directly ("Who Mourns For Adonis" for example).
The Bajorans were deeply religous and that was a theme in both TNG as well as the entirety of DS9. DS9 was hugely based around religon. Voyager had some religous type themes from time to time.
The Bajorans were deeply religous and that was a theme in both TNG as well as the entirety of DS9. DS9 was hugely based around religon. Voyager had some religous type themes from time to time.
Wasn't it made rather clear early on that the Bajorans believed the wormhole aliens to be gods? I remember mostly all the conflicts that arose from the religious organization they had set up but not really that any spiritual issues were really discussed or explored.
DS9 was hugely based around religon.
Well I guess getting married by Elvis is more meaningful than being married by a member of the military as Trek puts forth as the status quo.
The Bajorans were deeply religous and that was a theme in both TNG as well as the entirety of DS9. DS9 was hugely based around religon. Voyager had some religous type themes from time to time.
Wasn't it made rather clear early on that the Bajorans believed the wormhole aliens to be gods? I remember mostly all the conflicts that arose from the religious organization they had set up but not really that any spiritual issues were really discussed or explored.
For the most part, representations of Bajoran religion fall into three categories: the role of the Emissary, involvement in Bajoran politics, and Kira's religious practices. the nature of the Prophets is discussed in a few Emissary episodes, perhaps no more prominently than in Sacrifice of Angels, when Sisko challenged them to "be gods." In terms what the Bajorans believe about the Prophets, I think thsoe fall more into Kira's representation, such as when she prays for Jadzia to get a baby or when Winn consults her about the Prophets' forgiveness. Whatever the Bajorans feel about them, I don't think that the Prophets feel that they are playing the role of gods to the Bajorans.
I think some members of the admiralty didn't like the idea of a Starfleet officer being hailed as a messiah and spiritual leader by an entire civilization.Sisko was seen by those people as a religous figure which was not popular amoung Starfleet Command.
Actually, that's disregarding that Sisko was a Starfleet officer on a mission for the Federation. The whole Emissary business was a Bajoran internal thing and not the reason why Starfleet sent him there.^ Disregarding that Sisko actually was the emissary, and was brought into existance by the Prophets to be the emissary.
But what does the Emissary do? What is the role of the Emissary?
To find the Wormhole/Celestial Temple? Not really, he was not the first in chronologically.
May be the first to talk to the Prophets directly? Could be, but then what about the "A Gutted World"?
To break a tablet?
The guy you call when you loose the keys to your wormhole?
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