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The Prisoner (original)...

^Definitely.

When you rewatch it, try another one of combinations. Each combination is assembled to highlight the progression of certain aspects. You get a totally different view of the Series when different things are put in priority order.

I believe the order I recorded them off TV is based upon all of a specific type of mind game together in a progression, and a different stepped up type of mindgame is used for awhile, until the finale. The first episode and the last two are always in those postiions, and then there's another 2 or 3 that stay in their position or shift only by an episode or two, and the rest are shuffled depending upon which direction you want to take the arc.
 
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My preferred running order is:

Arrival
Free For All
Dance of the Dead
Checkmate
The Chimes of Big Ben
The Schizoid Man
It's Your Funeral
Many Happy Returns
Living in Harmony
The General
A. B. and C.
Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling
A Change of Mind
Hammer into Anvil
The Girl Who Was Death
Once upon a Time
Fall Out

but all combinations are equally possible. I mean, I believe it's possible to put Fall Out first if you want...
 
My preferred running order is:

Arrival
Free For All
Dance of the Dead
Checkmate
The Chimes of Big Ben
The Schizoid Man
It's Your Funeral
Many Happy Returns
Living in Harmony
The General
A. B. and C.
Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling
A Change of Mind
Hammer into Anvil
The Girl Who Was Death
Once upon a Time
Fall Out

but all combinations are equally possible. I mean, I believe it's possible to put Fall Out first if you want...
I have 4 of the first 5 with you, except A. B. C. (in place of Checkmates), and Chimes of Big Ben & Free For All are swapped.

1. Arrival
2. Chimes of Big Ben
3. ABC
4. Free For All
5. Schizoid Man

It gets pretty mixed up after that though :bolian:

*OH, OOOPPPSSSS, I skipped right past Dance of the Dead, NEVERMIND :alienblush::alienblush:
 
On some level I wonder if they really do want specific information or they're just telling 6 that.
I think his bosses are just pissed at him for quitting. :rommie: So it's all about how the establishment screws with your head: The arbitrariness and abuse of power, the struggle against conformity and mediocrity, the strength of individualism.
 
The second theme attempt was by Wilfred Josephs, which is a really discordant piece which sounds like an orchestra trying to play three different tunes at once - which was something of Josephs's style. He also wrote an incidental score for Arrival, which gets heard here and in later episodes - the helicopter escape as you say, and lots of nursery rhyme sounding pieces. Unlike these two, Grainer only wrote a theme tune (althought there were five variations on it heard at different points in the series). Albert Elms came in to write incidental music for the rest of the series - only a couple of his pieces are tracked into Arrival, but he'll come to be the dominant musical voice of the series.

I got my composers mixed up - I meant to say Josephs in terms of the "unused" theme that is heard in the alternate versions and in Arrival.

Elms I agree. The show also made use of lots of excellent stock music (including a number of pieces in Fall Out). We also have to give credit to a certain popular British rock group (the name of which I won't say because it'll spoil Fall Out for Warped9) who allowed one of their songs to be used in Fall Out and, thank heavens, the agreement obviously allowed its use in home video releases (unlike the same group's music in a certain other British SF series).

Well, I think it makes sense to watch "The Chimes of Big Ben" fairly early in the run, since when Leo McKern returns as Number 2, it seems he's been away for a while. Also it makes sense to watch the two Colin Gordon episodes ("The General" and "A, B, and C") next to each other. There seems to be some dissent on which order they should go in, but I think it works better with "The General" first, since Gordon's #2 seems more desperate to break 6 in "A, B, and C," as if it's his last chance after a previous failure. (Although it's been a while since I've watched the series.)

Can't argue with that, though with this show is there some debate over whether Gordon is actually playing the same man. (The precedent - and Warped9 has already seen Arrival so I can mention this - is when 6 encounters a Village workman in his home, and then a few moments later runs into an identical man out on a Village pathway; twin? Possibly? Though the infamous Eduware Prisoner computer game of the early 1980s suggests a clone...

I had always heard that The Prisoner was an "unofficial" sequel to Danger Man ...

Even the creators of the show aren't in agreement about that. IIRC, Tomblin said that Number Six was John Drake, but McGoohan insisted he wasn't, and his biographical info given in "Arrival" doesn't agree with Drake's (it's actually McGoohan's birthdate and such). However, the Prisoner tie-in novel by Thomas M. Disch identifies Six as "Drake" -- though only once, as the very first word of the book.

It's likely that McGoohan avoided identifying Six as Drake because of copyright considerations, as he didn't own that character.

I tend to agree with those who say it wasn't meant to be John Drake. For one thing, the character in The Prisoner is quite different from that of Drake. I've seen every episode of Danger Man, and while there are similarities, McGoohan's overall portrayal of 6 has a different tone than Drake (also, Drake was Irish-American while 6 is 100% British).

Also, there's never been any indication that Ralph Smart - the man who actually created Danger Man and the character of John Drake - ever had an issue with The Prisoner. If the character had been intended to be Drake and the series a spin-off, he'd have sued McGoohan.

All that said, in the late 1960s three original novels based upon the series were published: one by Thomas Disch, a second by David McDaniel, and a third by Hank Stine. The first line of the second book names No. 6 as Drake.

If you want even more confusion, check out the debate over who created The Prisoner. McGoohan often gets sole credit, but George Markstein also claimed credit, saying he based the show on his knowledge of a Village-like facility established during WWII. Markstein, by the way, is the bald gent No. 6 gives his resignation to in the opening credits...

Alex
 
We also have to give credit to a certain popular British rock group (the name of which I won't say because it'll spoil Fall Out for Warped9) who allowed one of their songs to be used in Fall Out and, thank heavens, the agreement obviously allowed its use in home video releases (unlike the same group's music in a certain other British SF series).

That's to do with the licensing arrangements that were negotiated at the time. Lew Grade, always concerned to future-proof his shows, paid for the rights to use the song in question in perpetuity. (Another song by the same band appears in a UFO episode for instance.) Whereas the BBC would only have paid for the use for the broadcast and maybe a repeat. So when the time came to license the song for video release, the rights would have to be renegotiated, and in the intervening years, as the group became more famous, they withheld the rights to use their songs in anything. But they couldn't touch ITC's rights, which had been bought and paid for at the time. (There was a new blanket licensing agreement a few years ago, which means that songs can now be used in video releases again, so it shouldn't be a problem any more.

Also, there's never been any indication that Ralph Smart - the man who actually created Danger Man and the character of John Drake - ever had an issue with The Prisoner. If the character had been intended to be Drake and the series a spin-off, he'd have sued McGoohan.
It may just be a coincidence that the very first person McGoohan speaks to in the Village is Ralph Smart's sister! You'd think she'd be unlikely to appear in the show if her brother was in dispute with McGoohan.
 
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiIUnCMpGbM&feature=related[/yt]

Ran across this recently. Thought some of you might enjoy it.
 
"Checkmate" ****

Number 6 conspires with fellow prisoners to escape.

I sometimes wonder if the short guy we always see in the background is the real Number 1... Naah, I've also got a gut feeling he's not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

By behaving with conviction, purpose and authority Number 6 is undermined by these very qualities because his co-conspirators think he's actually part of the establishment. And once again those running the Village foil his escape.

Of course the key to all of this is to not accept what is shown literally. It's all symbolism and allegory. The Village isn't a real place, but a symbol of our everyday existence and everyone's village is slightly different even though they're all basically the same.

The chessboard with live pieces is very symbolic of people being set pieces moved and manipulated by forces unseen.
 
If the band being discussed is the one I'm thinking of, then at least their BBC thing is only absent from the R1 release...
 
If the band being discussed is the one I'm thinking of, then at least their BBC thing is only absent from the R1 release...

You are correct. But their music is intact in both the R1 and R2 versions of The Prisoner And further to that point ...

That's to do with the licensing arrangements that were negotiated at the time. Lew Grade, always concerned to future-proof his shows, paid for the rights to use the song in question in perpetuity.

And for that we should be grateful. True, it's only for a few moments in the episode, but "Fall Out" without that song (as well as the other two, especially that one featured when ... but that would be telling!) would have been a much lesser episode. The band in question could have said no to their song being used, but they were fans of the show apparently.

Thing is about the band's music in Doctor Who - as noted, the songs have been included in the UK releases, but the episodes have had to be reedited for Region 1 release to remove the songs. A Fleetwood Mac song used in a Pertwee episode also ran into trouble. Fortunately the modern-day DW series has done it right so songs like "Voodoo Child" survive intact on both sides of the Atlantic.

Alex
 
"The Chimes Of Big Ben" *****

Number 6 collaborates with a new Number 8 to escape.

This has been the Village's most elaborate scheme to date to trick Number 6 into revealing the reason he resigned. It was also quite convincing for the most part, too, but ultimately if he really did escape the show would be over.

Actually what tipped me off wasn't just the ease of their escape. We already know nothing in the Village happens by chance. From the beginning I suspected Number 8 was a setup to get to Number 6.

Interesting they not only want to get information but they also seem to want him to accept and conform to his situation. They want to break him spiritually so to speak.
 
Indeed. They wouldn't go to such great lengths if it were just about why he quit his job. As with most forms of torture and coercion, it's all about breaking his spirit.
 
Yea, spilling the information, is only a means to determine his spirit has been broken
 
^Exactly. Towards the end of the series, getting No. 6 to "break" is clearly the priority.
 
^ :lol: Well put.

One episode that I've always liked is "Hammer Into Anvil." I just think it's brilliant and I LOVE Patrick's performance in it.

Yeah Hammer into Anvil was always one of my favourite episodes. I really like ABC as well and I love The Girl Who Was Death in spite of the fact (or maybe because) in places it feels more like The Avengers than the Prisoner.
 
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