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The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discussion

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Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

Very surreal, and definitely with elements of Lost thrown in. It's possible that it's a sequel, but it could be just an homage. It's interesting, but not so far as gripping or stylish as the original.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

The original definitely had more of a hook that this series does (so far). Number Six resigned and Number Two wanted to know why. Number Two's motivations for holding Six (or, anyone else in the Village) in the new version are much more nebulous. It doesn't help that Six has amnesia throughout the whole thing. It's hard to project McGoohan's staunch individualism when the character doesn't even know who he is.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

Maybe this Six did originally work for the Village and has now forgotten.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

I've only seen Arrival so far, but I'll give it a pre-emptive Above Average. No matter where they take this story, it's refreshing to see something that isn't just the same old crap, and at a mere six episodes, there's no chance of it wearing out its welcome.

Jim Caveziel is obviously playing much more of an accessible Everyman character, and isn't intended to be the same person as McGoohan's rather inaccessible superspy guy. I never felt that McGoohan's Six was all that threatened by anything happening in the Village. Caveziel is far more vulnerable - he's not likely to be a superspy and probably doesn't have the slightest idea why anyone would be picking on him - which for me, just amps up the drama. McGoohan was always going to be okay; Caveziel, I'm not so sure about. It's an interesting take on the material and I'm definitely interested to see where it goes.

EDIT: Ratings info: The Prisoner debuts strongly.
AMC's remake of classic series "The Prisoner" trapped 2.2 million viewers (1.7 household rating) during its two-hour debut Sunday evening.
What's interesting to me is that by AMC standards, just over 2M viewers is a good showing, yet how much does this series cost? It can't be cheap - it certainly doesn't look cheap. So why couldn't AMC take a risk with other sf/f concepts that they know will appeal to only a niche audience? Just about anything can get 2M viewers, no matter how esoteric.
 
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Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

The original definitely had more of a hook that this series does (so far). Number Six resigned and Number Two wanted to know why. Number Two's motivations for holding Six (or, anyone else in the Village) in the new version are much more nebulous. It doesn't help that Six has amnesia throughout the whole thing. It's hard to project McGoohan's staunch individualism when the character doesn't even know who he is.

Yep. Charlie Jane Anders over at io9 did a really good review under the title 6 Things The New Prisoner Changed for the Worse.

My problem is, I don't know why 2 wants 6 in the Village, I don't know why it's necessary for people not to know about the real world, and I don't really care about any of the characters we've seen so far. I certainly don't care about 2's family life, though I assume it's setup for some kind of payoff. The original "Arrival" set up the series premise effectively. You may not be able to predict "Fall-Out" from it, but you're not adrift from the beginning.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

I've never seen the original and know almost nothing about it. These first two episodes were intriguing enough to keep watching but a lil' slow. My brainless theory: post-apocalyptic Earth, the oceans are the deserts, this is the last bastion of surviving humanity. And/or: it's a virtual reality where the only real people are Two and Six, symbolized by the two glass towers. Two is trying to break/control Six because he's the only other human left alive on the planet.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

Just managed to finish watching the first two hours. I tried to get through them both last night but kept falling asleep. Thought it might have been because I was tired but tonite I confirmed it was because the episodes were so boring that they put me to sleep.

It wants to be a cross between LOST--not nearly as compelling-- and those popular British sci-fi series that I can't stand like Torchwood. The pacing is labored, the show is far too off-kilter for my tastes. I don't care about any of the characters. I also get the distinct impression the mini-series wants to say Something Deep About Something and in the process even if it succeeds in doing so still fails to be entertaining and more of a drab academic exercise.

It isn't bad just makes for a tedious viewing experience. Like a poster mentioned, I think I'll read spoilers to find out how it wraps up because the prospect of sitting through the rest of the miniseries is not something I would relish.

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Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

Jim Caveziel is obviously playing much more of an accessible Everyman character, and isn't intended to be the same person as McGoohan's rather inaccessible superspy guy.
This is one of the problems I had with it. I hate it when they compromise genre shows by making them "accessible" to the common people. When I see things like Number Six shooting hoops in his apartment, I just roll my eyes.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

What would you prefer? Number Six shooting up baseball players with steroids and killing hookers?
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

Jim Caveziel is obviously playing much more of an accessible Everyman character, and isn't intended to be the same person as McGoohan's rather inaccessible superspy guy.
This is one of the problems I had with it. I hate it when they compromise genre shows by making them "accessible" to the common people. When I see things like Number Six shooting hoops in his apartment, I just roll my eyes.

After having seen Harmony, my viewpoint that this Six is an improvement over the original is now solidified, and it has nothing to do with basketball.

For me, the best drama is drama where something HUGE is at stake for the protagonist. The huger, the better. And to be huge, the thing at stake must be of vital importance to the protagonist, something he can not live without, the thing that would be the worst thing anyone could take away.

From what I recall of the original Prisoner, McGoohan's Six was never really in danger of anything too bad. He was simply being held captive, but so what? His soul and his sanity were never threatened. He was far too much the big, tough, macho superspy to be threatened by being held captive. He could have spent his entire life in the Village, fighting each Number Two, until he died of old age. Maybe not the ideal situation for him, but he would never have been utterly annihilated as a person.

Caveziel's Six can be annihilated as a person. He is extremely vulnerable, maybe moreso even than a normal person. He's not a strong guy or even an average guy - he's a mess! The giveaway was him telling the girl he picked up that "nobody" is capable of real human relationships. Well, clearly he isn't. He's been far too messed up by working for Big Brother, Inc. to be much better than a zombie - and that was before he got to the Village.

He doesn't need just to escape from the Village - he was pretty badly off in NYC, too. But now he's even worse off than he was there. He almost capitulates in the second episode! Can you imagine McGoohan doing that? He seems willing to accept his new family, and his new prison, just because they are being nice to him. He is seriously considering the idea that he is, in fact, insane, and the Statue of Liberty is nothing more than a delusion. My God, this guy is in terrible shape. He's in no condition to go up against a savvy Machiavellian like Number Two.

Which is why this is great drama. Number Two vs. McGoohan's Six was Ali vs. Frazier. Number Two vs. Caveziel's Six is Ali vs. Gumby. So if you want a sports-like spectacle of a macho contest of wills, you won't like this. But I don't watch drama for sports. I watch it for drama. And it will take some very fancy writing to pull off an underdog story in which Gumby Beats Ali (by whatever definition of victory applies.)

Of course it's possible that Gumby Beats Ali is a story that is beyond the skill of these writers to pull off. But it's a very gutsy goal, much tougher than Frazier Beats Ali, and for that alone I can respect their audacity. And since there are just four episodes to go, I don't have to invest a lot of time waiting to see if they can do what they've set out to do.

I'm just amazed to see something this ambitious on TV at all. Most shows are content to be far more slothful and mindless. It's exhilirating just seeing TV writers who have some fucking ambition for a change, regardless of whether they succeed or fail!
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

Clearly, you completely misunderstand the original Prisoner. It was completely the opposite of "Sports," which is what made it so great. It didn't pander or condescend. It was a mental game between one man and the PTB behind the Village. They couldn't break him and he couldn't escape. It was a tense stalemate right up until the end.

While everything you say about the current character is technically true, it is still a symptom of TV dumbing down a concept for the mass audience. It's also a symptom of the current resentment toward strong characters.

What would you prefer? Number Six shooting up baseball players with steroids and killing hookers?
No, that's number 5.
 
Re: The Prisoner: "Arrival" and "Harmony" 11/15/09 - Grading & Discuss

^That damn robot!
 
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