The Prime Directive on this show
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The lend lease act was march 11 of 1941. Not all that neutral.
The lend-lease act was just that. A lend-lease policy. It was helpful but it certainly wasn't a formal (or informal) declaration of war. And it was criticized heavily inside the US.
The US didn't enter the African campaign until 1942 and the European campaign until 1943. WW2 in Europe had started since 1939 (and China had been invaded by Japan since 1931).
I'm not in any way or form trying to criticize. I just want to set the historical record straight.
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Except--should the Federation care about any of this collateral damage, as the Federation itself was not directly impacted? There is a danger of grandiosity in this--the Federation could imagine it controls the universe by its actions and it does not.
One of my neighbours just woke me up by hammering.
I might be in a mood to stab them.
(The more awake I become, the less I feel like that.)
They thought that there would be no consequences to building a fence (??) this early in the morning but it could be why I am about to lumber out into the street mostly naked to stab them.
How much surprise do you think they should feel as a butter knife slides in between their ribs? Or did they know it was coming because it was possible that there might be violent sadists still sleeping within earshot?
How much regret do you think they got that they should have been more considerate to the universe around themselves as I start whammying the blade to tickle a kidney?
In the future maybe they might wait till 10 am to start their carpentry.
Point is, the Federation is both worried benevolently attentive about the unforeseen consequences to everyone else in the universe for the next billion billion years, and selfishly concerned about what everyone else in the universe might do to them (the Federation) for the next billion billion years, because the universe is fucking tiny on a long enough time scale.
Only an asshole laughs as his neighbour's house is burning down.
The real point to drag away from this, is that I reeeeeeeally need my beauty sleep.
(No one has been stabbed today. Relax.)
I might be in a mood to stab them.
(The more awake I become, the less I feel like that.)
They thought that there would be no consequences to building a fence (??) this early in the morning but it could be why I am about to lumber out into the street mostly naked to stab them.
How much surprise do you think they should feel as a butter knife slides in between their ribs? Or did they know it was coming because it was possible that there might be violent sadists still sleeping within earshot?
How much regret do you think they got that they should have been more considerate to the universe around themselves as I start whammying the blade to tickle a kidney?
In the future maybe they might wait till 10 am to start their carpentry.
Point is, the Federation is both worried benevolently attentive about the unforeseen consequences to everyone else in the universe for the next billion billion years, and selfishly concerned about what everyone else in the universe might do to them (the Federation) for the next billion billion years, because the universe is fucking tiny on a long enough time scale.
Only an asshole laughs as his neighbour's house is burning down.
The real point to drag away from this, is that I reeeeeeeally need my beauty sleep.
(No one has been stabbed today. Relax.)
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We're not talking about the evolving foreign policy of two governments here, this is The Hunt for the Red October. A mere Captain, not a president, or all of congress, with enough weapons to take out a dozen cities (Voyager if it wanted to can destroy planets, more easily than it can whack a couple cities.) is taking the law into their own hands and dragging their empire after them. Which is perhaps the point of needing to be schooled and vetted for so many years, that the people in charge back home know that you are going to be a good girl, and follow the Prime Directive, so that your bad decisions are not going to wind up starting a war where two trillion people die. The Federation Council wants trade routes, not battle lines, they need their Star Ship Captains to be temepered pussies for as long as possible before they start blowing up suns because there doesn't seem to be an alternative cource of action available short of the self destruct, or running away.
What if in 1939 the Captain of the USS Lexington just said "Fuck it" and started attacking AXIS shipping lanes?
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Yes, the thing about obeying all local laws as part of the PD is nonsense. By all means appear to respect local laws, but if the local idiots want to execute you for blowing your nose on a Tuesday, you are well within your rights to give them the finger. OTOH, if you are talking about societies with which Starfleet has open relations, that's a different matter.
How many people in our society are "happy"? Maybe we should blow everything up so we can develop.
I think the Earth government accepted Vulcans as advisers in the hope this would give them an advantage in diplomacy and trade later on.
Vulcans without the Prime Directive "We will only Help you, if you embrace Logic" or "You will accept our help, and you will embrace logic".
Exactly, probably helped them clean up the radioactive atmosphere and showed them a way to have an economy where all nations can benefit. Or cleaned up the former 'Third World' nations first to give them an advantage lol
Yeah that's what the Mirror Vulcans said and look what happened
wasnt that the plot of startrek vIf you replace "logic" with "Jesus", it all begins to sound very familiar.
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Very similar to the the plaque in Kirk's quarters that read "To Go Fucking Where No One Has Gone Before."
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