Per Memory-Alpha, it's called the "Slightly Skewed Left-Hand Turn-Mirror Universe."
The Picard Paradox
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See? It never ends with these infinite number of alternate universes....universii??
Universa.
Much better explanation than the official version, after all Prime did not do a quantum signature test on himself lol
That depends on whether or not you accept that it was just time travel to the Prime Universe's past to cause the split/rewrite, or whether you think they crossed over to a tangent, pre-existing universe like Mirror or Lazurus.
That is still my PREFERENCE, but that only works if we get an epilogue that wraps up the Kelvin and restores the Prime. If that never happens, then it must be adjacent, to have both timelines running at the same time. I do not accept that time travel creates permanent parallels, and not a timeline rewrite.
Yes, Admiral Marcus had a model of NX-01 on his desk. The implication is that the events of the series took place in the Kelvin timeline as well. That's confirmed with Balthazar Edison and the USS Franklin coming from that general era, with stuff that only appeared in ENT such as Xindi and MACOs .
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They make a lot of Enterprise references in the movies.
"Admiral Archer's dog" and all.
That's literally what was said in the movie.
Is it inconsistent? Yes.
But time travel is inconsistent in Star Trek.
Blame the fact they used Red Matter to travel.
I don't think so...I have always suspected that Edison had ties to the Terra Prime movement.
It would explain his xenophobic tendencies (i.e. why he was so incensed at having to "break bread with the enemy" - normally, you'd think that a soldier like Edison would realize the importance of following orders, so if he was ordered to make peace with his enemies, he should have done so, without question), and also why Starfleet put a decorated war veteran in command of an insignificant ship like the Franklin - they wanted to get him out of the way, where he couldn't do any more damage.
Some argue that ENT is in its own timeline, since the events of First Contact -- where the Enterprise crew actively interferes in the course of history -- might have changed the future. I don't personally subscribe to that as I go with what the show-runners say is canon.
I don't agree with that either.
As far as I'm concerned, ST:FC is part of what was supposed to happen, all along. A classic predestination paradox.
You can't prove it isn't, anyway.
(and after all, the Enterprise-E returned to the same future it left, so...well, you do the math.
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Why? It makes infinitely more sense than rewrites ever did.
There is also... *sigh* the Temporal Cold War, which affected the timeline.
Again: Predestination paradox.
By the way, I completely agree with you, although its not a popular one. If it was time travel, the Kelvin movies absolutely wiped out the prime universe - so unless it was an adjacent universe instead, then one must assume that there is an unseen "closing" chapter to the Kelvinverse, most likely a Very Old Spock stopping the destruction of Romulus on the second time around, negating Nero's time travel to begin with, and snapping the Universe back to Prime.
Yes, you can certainly interpret it that way.
I think FC rewrote the TOS timeline into ENT->DSC->(?) thus explaining the visual reboot (based on Borg and 24th century tech found in FC and ENT). Wouldn't it be something, if the TCW was all because of the Kelvin rewrite, and was actually the battle over which universe would remain?
How? Every time the past is changed, the future is permanently altered, with the "saving our future!" urgency to repair the damage. City on the Edge, Yesterdays Enterprise, First Contact, Endgame, even Voyage Home all suffer both dramatically, narratively and thematically if they did absolutely nothing but create a new branch of the timeline, leaving all that war, destruction and ruin behind them. Trek has shown that time travel can easily change or wipe out your own future if you're not careful, and that alternate universes exist all on their own (and not necessarily lined up temporally, as In a Mirror Darkly) implies. I would suggest that the same thing happened in '09 (tunneled over to an alternate universe where time was running differently and it was still the 23rd, or being flung over AND back at the same time.)
Predestination Paradoxes are just proof of a horribly corrupt timeline caught in a loop for so long that the initial timeline, causes and reasons are no longer accessible, or even able to be remembered.
My ideal explanation is there is just an unseen closing chapter to the Kelvinverse, but until then I am sticking with always-existing alternate universe.
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I don't think the movie itself specified. Characters assumed what was going on, of course - but would they really know the difference between an alternate universe and alternate timeline? They just knew things had been changed. I don't think the mechanism for time travel really matters, as a string of casual events would not care what external apparatus would use IMO - thats why I think the red matter drilling into an alternate universe idea would make much more sense, unless there is an unseen closing chapter for the Kelvin.
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