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The Phase II Enterprise

McQuarrie's "Star Destroyer" redesign of the Enterprise was from the Planet of the Titans film project in late 1976-early 1977. When that fell through, Paramount, which had been vacillating between reviving Star Trek as a feature film or a TV movie, decided to bring it back as a weekly series to anchor the fourth network it was trying to create (the same thing it later did successfully with Voyager and UPN). That's the project that was called Phase II, and that was well into production as a TV series when Paramount decided to change it to a megabudget feature film to ride on Star Wars's coattails. Phase II went with the ship design that's been talked about in this thread, designed by Matt Jefferies, Joseph R. Jennings, and Mike Minor. Ralph McQuarrie was long gone by that point.

Although contrary to popular belief, the "Phase" part was quickly dropped and the series was known through most of its development as Star Trek II. These days we call it Phase II to avoid confusion with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (even though that picture was originally released as simply Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan) -- the same way we refer to the original pilot by its working title "The Cage" rather than its production title "The Menagerie," in order to avoid confusion with the 2-parter of that name.
 
I've never been all that fond of all the extra lighting they've added to later Trek ships. Yes, it started in TMP, but there it was more subtle. In TNG and later it became a regular practice and didn't look more high tech to me at all even though it was meant to convey exotic and highly advanced technology. I just thought it looked gimmicky and less serious in terms of design.
Meh, I guess that is just down to personal taste. I actually like the TNG glow, actually. To each their own. :)
 
One notable difference between the TOS saucer and the PII and TMP saucers was that TOS' sported a more acute angle to the saucer's edge, something I always liked.
IIRC, this was mainly a feature of the TOS filming miniature as built by the modelmakers. In contrast, Matt Jefferies' original blueprints for the model, and even his drawings of the Enterprise after the model was built, have a quite noticeable rounded edge to the lower rim of the saucer. Taken by that measure, the Phase II saucer is closer to what he originally intended.
 
One notable difference between the TOS saucer and the PII and TMP saucers was that TOS' sported a more acute angle to the saucer's edge, something I always liked.
IIRC, this was mainly a feature of the TOS filming miniature as built by the modelmakers. In contrast, Matt Jefferies' original blueprints for the model, and even his drawings of the Enterprise after the model was built, have a quite noticeable rounded edge to the lower rim of the saucer. Taken by that measure, the Phase II saucer is closer to what he originally intended.
I'm talking about the angle of the saucer's outer rim. It's distinctly more pronounced on the TOS Enterprise. And it doesn't' matter what was designed but what was actually built and what we got onscreen.
 
Hey, I thought this was the Phase II Enterprise? Please explain!
*note how it has the same basic silhouette as the Enterprise D, and uses the same color as the Cardassian ships!
As Christopher correctly point out, that ship was not for Phase II. Those images are Ralph McQuarrie takes on a design direction being pursued by Ken Adam for The Planet of the Titans feature film. There was a lengthy thread on the topic of that film in the past. It's linked here (clicky).
 
Hey, I thought this was the Phase II Enterprise? Please explain!
*note how it has the same basic silhouette as the Enterprise D, and uses the same color as the Cardassian ships!

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I would liked to have seen this ship on screen, not as the Enterprise but maybe during a battle scene. I envision that it could be similar to an "aircraft carrier" in space. It could launch smaller fighter craft of some type.
 
I don't care for the Ken Adam/Ralph McQuarrie design. It just doesn't fit the Starfleet design ethos. And it's pretty ugly. What's with those dinky nacelles that look like toilet paper dowels? And why is there blue flame coming out of them?
 
Hey, I thought this was the Phase II Enterprise? Please explain!
*note how it has the same basic silhouette as the Enterprise D, and uses the same color as the Cardassian ships!

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imagesCANGGWYN.jpg


3351497986_11ecc354ff.jpg

I would liked to have seen this ship on screen, not as the Enterprise but maybe during a battle scene. I envision that it could be similar to an "aircraft carrier" in space. It could launch smaller fighter craft of some type.

I believe that a mock-up of it was in TNG's "Best of Both Worlds," in the aftermath of the big battle. It's therefore canon.
 
I don't care for the Ken Adam/Ralph McQuarrie design. It just doesn't fit the Starfleet design ethos. And it's pretty ugly. What's with those dinky nacelles that look like toilet paper dowels? And why is there blue flame coming out of them?

Enlarge the saucer and you're pretty close to the Enterprise-D...
 
I don't care for the Ken Adam/Ralph McQuarrie design. It just doesn't fit the Starfleet design ethos. And it's pretty ugly. What's with those dinky nacelles that look like toilet paper dowels? And why is there blue flame coming out of them?

I think if they tweaked it a little it would be more acceptable on screen. Change the nacelles, eliminate the blue flame, maybe make the saucer larger.

I think it's much closer to Starfleet design than DS9's Defiant which has my vote for ugliest Trek ship. :)
 
Hey, I thought this was the Phase II Enterprise? Please explain!
*note how it has the same basic silhouette as the Enterprise D, and uses the same color as the Cardassian ships!

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imagesCANGGWYN.jpg


3351497986_11ecc354ff.jpg

I would liked to have seen this ship on screen, not as the Enterprise but maybe during a battle scene. I envision that it could be similar to an "aircraft carrier" in space. It could launch smaller fighter craft of some type.

I believe that a mock-up of it was in TNG's "Best of Both Worlds," in the aftermath of the big battle. It's therefore canon.

Are there any screenshots available?
 
That such a ship exists is "canon," but what it is, is not.

Just as Sisko having a model of an old ship with a globular hull doesn't establish that it's a "Daedalus class."
 
When the damaged Enterprise is coming into spacedock at the beginning of TSFS, you can see the aft end of the McQuarrie ship beyond the station's core, to the left.
 
That such a ship exists is "canon," but what it is, is not.

Just as Sisko having a model of an old ship with a globular hull doesn't establish that it's a "Daedalus class."

For that matter, the presence of a model doesn't even confirm that there was ever a ship of that design. At most, it confirms that the design was around at some point and considered seriously enough that a model was built. Probably a souvenir from Sisko's time at Utopia Planitia.
 
I happen to suspect that the McQuarrieprise was not Adam's favored design. Every sketch of that one I'd seen was McQuarrie's. All the Adam sketches I've seen were for this narrower-bodied, big nacelled version:
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^That's better, but I still think the triangular portion clashes too much with the circles and cylinders of the rest. It just doesn't say "Starfleet design" to me.
 
Never did like the Star Destroyer design, though that model is far more palpable than the McQ drawings.

While I love the refit design, it really changed too much to be entirely plausible. The general shape of the saucer and secondary hulls should have stayed the same with certain other changes. The dual torpedo launcher, encasing the "dish," the impulse deck, the bridge dome (even the entire "extension" coming up from the saucer). etc.
 
While I love the refit design, it really changed too much to be entirely plausible. The general shape of the saucer and secondary hulls should have stayed the same with certain other changes. The dual torpedo launcher, encasing the "dish," the impulse deck, the bridge dome (even the entire "extension" coming up from the saucer). etc.

There is real-world precedent for ships being refitted so completely that their basic shape is transformed and practically nothing remains from the original.
 
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