The OTHER "Star Trek VII"?

[RookieBatman]

I dunno... this was something that occurred to me when I saw Generations in the theater when I was 22. I saw Scotty watching Kirk die at the beginning and thought he'd have something to do with him at the end. Obviously, I was disappointed.

Then have you read Engines of Destiny? I haven't read it myself, so I don't know how satisfying it is, but it does play on that basic premise.

Walter Koenig's outline is too depressing. I am a huge fan of Mr. Koenig, but I think the tone is all wrong. Who wants to pay to go to the funeral of a friend or in this case several friends?

I have mixed feelings about this. I kinda like big epic movies where a lot of the main characters die or are wounded (the Magnificent Seven is a good example), but I'm not sure if I'd like it as much in Trek.

The Kirk character was at his best beating the no win scenario. I totally understand that in real life people die, but in ST Kirk at is a symbol of overcoming the impossible. Why insist on killing the larger than life hero?

That's basically the mentality that went into the Shatnerverse books, to fun, entertaining effect (though YMMV, of course). But, I can see it both ways. Even the heroes gotta die sometime. I think he would've liked to die with his boots on, but I remember one time in an old discussion here, someone suggested an alternate ending where Picard goes down to fight Soran, and Kirk takes the center of the D to fight the Duras sisters, and I think that would've been pretty freakin' cool. But hey, that's life. Oh well.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Instead they gave the public a downer of a film with some of the most illogical/convoluted plot devices (the Nexus) I have ever seen.

Everyone involved dropped the ball as far as "Generations" is concerned.

You've hit what I think is Generations major problem -- the film mistakes moroseness for seriousness. Generations is a film that fundamentally lacks in hope, and in contrast to the upbeat ending of "All Good Things...," it offers a sense of finality and closure to the adventures of Picard and his crew. Generations is tonally wrong for a Star Trek adventure.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Here's a summary of the story.

I'm sorry, but that's just awful. Really nothing more than an excuse to kill off everyone but Spock and McCoy, I gather so TNG continuity would be preserved. Really would not be a fun night at the movies for this Trek fan...

IN that case, I'm thrilled with what we got.

 

[GalaxyX]

Nearly anything would have been better than "Generations"

Why was Kirk even in the film? If tptb insisted on a cross over movie it should have been a big fun adventure that involved both crews. Instead they gave us a real downer of a film as well as the worst fictional death of any major character in the history of film and some of the laziest writing (you can think yourself out of the Nexus?) I have ever seen.

Generations was a truly poor way to attempt to establish the TNG film franchise.

Is it even humanly possible for me to agree more than I do now with every single word you just said?

Nope.....you nailed it top dead center.

 

[GalaxyX]

Some interesting posts here, guys.

I think Kelley had more of the same attitude that Johnny Carson had when Leno took over -- if they don't want me as a star anymore, who am I to make a cameo? Both could have been accomodated if they had wanted them bad enough and had the time in the schedule for a rewrite.

Kelley's comment was along the lines of 'I had a great send-off in ST6, so why muddy it up like this?'; Nimoy flat out told Berman that the script needed a huge overhaul. The two old pros knew better.

I remember being so disappointed that Nimoy and Kelley passed on this movie, but they made the right choice, it was a terrible script. Pity Shatner didn't stay away too.

Oh well, in my "personal canon", this film doesn't exist

Awesome!!

 

[RookieBatman]

Some interesting posts here, guys.

I think Kelley had more of the same attitude that Johnny Carson had when Leno took over -- if they don't want me as a star anymore, who am I to make a cameo? Both could have been accomodated if they had wanted them bad enough and had the time in the schedule for a rewrite.

Kelley's comment was along the lines of 'I had a great send-off in ST6, so why muddy it up like this?'; Nimoy flat out told Berman that the script needed a huge overhaul. The two old pros knew better.

I remember being so disappointed that Nimoy and Kelley passed on this movie, but they made the right choice, it was a terrible script. Pity Shatner didn't stay away too.

Oh well, in my "personal canon", this film doesn't exist

Awesome!!

You know, you're right. I guess I didn't really think too much about that when it was first posted, but yeah. I wonder what a Nimoy-supervised rewrite of GEN would've looked like.